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    ooook.

    how on earth has no one posted this?

    Hundreds of gay couples are preparing to form civil partnerships in the coming weeks as the law changes after decades of campaigning.
    At least 1,200 ceremonies are confirmed as being scheduled already, according to figures from councils compiled by the BBC News website.

    Registrars are preparing for the first ceremonies, with couples permitted to register from Monday morning.
    Campaigners says the law ends inequalities for same-sex couples.
    The first ceremonies under the Civil Partnerships Act can take place in Northern Ireland on 19 December, followed by Scotland the next day and England and Wales on 21 December.
    Under the law, couples who want to form a partnership must register their intentions with local councils. Unlike marriages, the signing of the legal partnership papers does not need to happen in public.

    Hundreds of couples are expected to go ahead quickly, with Brighton conducting 198 ceremonies before the end of the year. Overall, the city has taken 510 bookings for the coming months, thought to be the highest in the country.
    Other cities which have seen strong interest include London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

    Meg Munn, minister for equality, said the government expected 4,500 couples to get "partnered" in the first year.
    "This is an important piece of legislation that gives legal recognition to relationships which until now were invisible in the eyes of the law," Ms Munn told the BBC News website.
    "It accords people in same-sex relationships the same sort of rights and responsibilities that are available to married couples.
    "We know there are people who have been together maybe 40 years and have been waiting for the chance to do this kind of thing, because of the important differences it makes to their lives.
    "They have the same concerns as married couples - tenancy, ownership, pensions and inheritance."


    It's fantastic that everyone can now enjoy this long term commitment
    Cheryl Shilvock, Surrey
    Alan Wardle, of gay campaign group Stonewall, said the importance of the change should not be underestimated.
    "Our view is that civil partnerships are transformative for the lives of individual couples and their rights, but also for society more generally.
    "Society now legally recognises gay relationships for the first time.
    "It's a big day but 21 December, when the first partnerships take place, will be even bigger because that will see gay and lesbian people removing discrimination."

    But a spokesman for the one of the UK's major Christian groups told the BBC they believed same-sex couples should not get the same rights as married couples.
    "If you transport something unique, like marriage, into a different context, there's always a cost. And the cost here is in terms of reduction of marriage and the undermining of it," Don Horrocks of the Evangelical Alliance said.

    Retailers are already beginning to cash in on the new partnerships.


    FAMILY AFFAIRS
    There was a pause as my mother took this in - and I waited and eventually said, 'So what's it to be? A cup of tea or a Scotch?'
    Percy Steven on telling his mother he was gay

    39 years of waiting

    A range of "Mr and Mr" and "Mrs and Mrs" cards will hit Asda supermarkets this week.

    And sets of "Darling, Dearest, Queerest" embroidered towel and soaps went on sale at Superdrug stores on Friday.

    Meanwhile, three short advertisements were published in the Births, Marriages and Deaths columns under the heading Civil partnerships in Monday's Times newspaper.

    The heading is a new addition to the paper, which has carried family announcements for nearly 221 years.
    Campaigners have focused on councils which have been equivocal about the new law.
    Bromley in south-east London had initially planned not to offer public ceremonies. Lisburn in Northern Ireland also overturned a proposed ban.
    Ms Munn said any councils dragging their feet needed to comply with the both the spirit and letter of the law.
    "The legislation requires that every authority must offer a civil partnership. The basic level of that is a simple signing of a register - some couples may just want that alone.
    "But if any councils are saying they won't allow [public] ceremonies, for couples who want that kind of celebration, then it's time they came into the 21st century."
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    the bits i highlighted are the bits im deeply concerned about.
    WTF.
    ok, im cool with this bill, i support it, cos really, i dont care. but people who have a problem with this, should have the right not have it shoved in their face right now, they should have given it least two years, this is just freaking silly.
    wtf

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    i was actually going to discuss it in the other gay thread in political mudpit.

    im personally against it, call me a homophobic or not...marriage is pointless these days anyway, 40% divorce rate and rises every year, people dont value the commitment/dont know what they got themselves in to ... etc etc.

    oh and interestingly enough, i was learning about the human rights earlier today, going through all the points, it says everyone of any race, religion, etc etc have the right to marry, but technically, that means gays/lesbians arent allowed ? by the human rights law anyway. there's probably something deeper down in that point that i didnt see..but i thought it was interesting.

    elton john and his partner are going to be one of the first marriages. heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    i was actually going to discuss it in the other gay thread in political mudpit.

    im personally against it, call me a homophobic or not...marriage is pointless these days anyway, 40% divorce rate and rises every year, people dont value the commitment/dont know what they got themselves in to ... etc etc.

    elton john and his partner are going to be one of the first marriages. heh

    i justcant help imagining little old ladies, walking into asda and seeing "mr and mr".....i mean some people have real problems with this, this is far to fast to be marketing it just to make a little cash..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfootedfred
    the bits i highlighted are the bits im deeply concerned about.
    WTF.
    ok, im cool with this bill, i support it, cos really, i dont care. but people who have a problem with this, should have the right not have it shoved in their face right now, they should have given it least two years, this is just freaking silly.
    wtf
    I agree with you there... just because they've been "discriminated" against and are "finally getting their rights" they shouldn't be shoving unimportant little "Mr. and Mr." cards into the (straight) majority's faces.

    It's not like I hate the idea of gay marriage, but seriously ... this is just like gay pride, if you don't like us shoving our business in your face, you're homophobic and will burn in hell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    I agree with you there... just because they've been "discriminated" against and are "finally getting their rights" they shouldn't be shoving unimportant little "Mr. and Mr." cards into the (straight) majority's faces.

    It's not like I hate the idea of gay marriage, but seriously ... this is just like gay pride, if you don't like us shoving our business in your face, you're homophobic and will burn in hell.


    thats the political correctness of madness that is britain these days.

    the majority are forgotten...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    thats the political correctness of madness that is britain these days.

    the majority are forgotten...
    None of those things have been asked for or wanted, yet we agree with Justinian the moment he suggests the possibility? WTF? We have our own resident gay expert and I think he'd have a rather different perspective.

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    Excuse me? Its marketing, its never too fast, if it makes more money than it costs
    More to the point, its as fair as the way it was thrust in homosexuals' faces that they couldn't marry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Excuse me? Its marketing, its never too fast
    More to the point, its as fair as the way it was thrust in homosexuals' faces that they couldn't marry...
    two wrongs dont make a right.
    the buck must stop somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfootedfred
    two wrongs dont make a right.
    the buck must stop somewhere
    Thing is its the bucks, not the buck; if a profit can be made off it, in this dirty world, its not wrong.

    And Justinian, the cards are equal to Mr and Mrs cards when they couldn't... and exactly where do they get more rights? They get the same rights, in fact exactly so... if you wanted, you as a straight bloke could marry another straight bloke.

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    If they want to be accepted as normal they shouldn't act like it's such a big deal being gay. "I'm gay, thus I'm misunderstood and special!" WTF?

    And I doubt they'll stay happy with their "civil partnerships" for long.

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    Yeah, we had so many straight pride groups running down the street shouting about how they're not getting equal (read: more) rights.

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    Im in favor of it, call it a social experiment. Lets see how things turn out.

    No tBP comment? He can "marry"
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    They get the rights, and they have the same as nonchristians... I think they'll stay happy. Its what they've asked for.

    and I'm waiting for the tBP take too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    They get the rights, and they have the same as nonchristians... I think they'll stay happy. Its what they've asked for.
    Soon it'll be "I want to get married in a church ... if the minister won't marry me it's discriminating! " and "50% of TV characters aren't gay, it's discriminating " and "Being gay isn't being made special and cool and better then being straight, it's discrimination! "

    Puh-lease.

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    I just want to say:
    Welcome to the modern world, Britain!

    Everytime I went to England I have the feeling I travelled back in time.
    Maybe things wil be different next time?
    Ok, maybe not, it's still England, but it's little step towards modernization.
    Now to modernize those railways......



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    I just want to say:
    Welcome to the modern world, Britain!

    Everytime I went to England I have the feeling I travelled back in time.
    Maybe things wil be different next time?
    Ok, maybe not, it's still England, but it's little step towards modernization.
    Now to modernize those railways......
    lol? OMG GAYS ARE ALLOWED TO MARRY! WE JUST MOVED 200 YEARS INTO THE MODERN ERA.
    overnight we made the transition from peasants in mud huts to a modern society.

    dude i cant stop laughing at your post.

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    Over here in Germany, gays are not permitted to marriage according to civil law. But they have an instiute for themselves, called
    "registered life-partnership". It basically has the same civil law consequences as marriage (not all but most of them).

    Why is that so? Well, I think our legislator had a problem with the German constitution and Art. 6. Because that one reads that Marriage and Family are under special protection of the constitution. And as marriage had been defined as "life long partnership between a man and a women with the potential purpose of having childern" by public law teachers and courts there was a bit of a problem in equalling gays.

    Basically I think: If the legislator gives an instiute the same consequences as another, why not call it the same way? Seems a bit like a legislator being frightened to do so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    I just want to say:
    Welcome to the modern world, Britain!

    Everytime I went to England I have the feeling I travelled back in time.
    Maybe things wil be different next time?
    Ok, maybe not, it's still England, but it's little step towards modernization.
    Now to modernize those railways......
    I certainly hope not! Britain backwards not forwards, what!


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    Indeed. But marriage is about having children. So why call it marriage/wedding?
    Indeed the title of this thread is misleading. There is no gay marriage law nor have gay weddings suddenly become legal. Calling these weddings is just an atempt to make it seem like they made gay marriage legal. It merely grants certain rights to same sex unions. Now to be fair that shouldnt be part of the law as its discriminatory. It should be for any two people who wish to take advantage of it.
    I have nothing against the womens movement. Especially when Im walking behind it.


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    Whether or not Britain likes it 'backwards' or 'fowards' is really irrelevant to the thread.

    Unless, of coarse, we're talking in public. Then it would be fair game.
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