Cultural Wonder Buildings

[SicilianVespers]

I will be adding cultural wonder buildings to the next release. I already added the Palazzo di Normanni in Palermo, and plan on initially adding unique buildings to all of the mega-cities (ie. Palermo, Constantinople, Corboba, and baghdad)

Tentative List:

Palermo - Palazzo dei Normanni, Monreale Cathedral
Constantinople - Hagia Sofia, Palace of Blachernae
Cordoba - al-Jama (The Great Mosque)
Baghdad - Jami al-Khulafa (Mosque of the Caliphs)


Feel free to make suggestions....

[VINC.XXIII]

San Giovanni in Laterano complex in Roma for Dark, Early, High Era
Kaaba of the Mekka for all Eras
Tambouctou Jama, for the Late Era
Kerbala Jama in Irak(useful if Chiite sect was created)
Hamburg and Koln archbishopries

[SicilianVespers]

Charlemagne's Palace or the Palatine Chapel at Aix-la-Chapelle.

Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.

[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

Charlemagne's Palace or the Palatine Chapel at Aix-la-Chapelle.
Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.

If you are still taking suggestions for major cultural buildings, what about the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem?

Besides the Holy Sepulchre, a kind of focal point for Christianity, what about the other 2 ancient Apostolic See(s)? The pentarchy, or what-have-you:

The Hagia Sophia in Constantinople,
the San Giovanni Complex in Rome,
the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and then
the Church of St Peter in Antioch, and
Saint Mark's Coptic Orthodox Cathedral in Alexandria.

It would make a Byzantine or Crusader nation campaign extremely interesting if the building effects were edited a bit. On conquest by a Byzantine, Armenian, Bulgarian, Serbian or Russian Orthodox nation, the Holy Sepulchre, etc. could provide +1% or +2% orthodox conversion effects, bishop recruitment, increased revenue (basically the tithes of a restored 'Church' structure in the area), and education/piety traits to characters in the region.

Same idea with the Roman Catholic players: on conquering an ancient See, +2% conversion, bishop recruitment and increased revenue. The whole Crusader State construction line, and the Christian pilgrimage site buildings, are already somewhat like this.

It would somewhat reflect the historical ability to consolidate conquered foreign territory, and project power/influence in a region. The Roman Catholic nations could play to unite Christendom, and the Greek Orthodox likewise.

You could throw a Muslim equivalent in for some of them too: after all, the Visigothic 'St Vincent Cathedral' was converted into a Mosque, then back into a Cathedral, then into a Cathedral/Mosque or whatever it is now. That way, there would be a foothold/consolidation element for Muslim players to aim for, and a reconquest/defense element added in for the Christian players to defend and etc.

[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

Same idea with the Roman Catholic players: on conquering an ancient See, +2% conversion, bishop recruitment and increased revenue. The whole Crusader State construction line, and the Christian pilgrimage site buildings, are already somewhat like this.

It would somewhat reflect the historical ability to consolidate conquered foreign territory, and project power/influence in a region. The Roman Catholic nations could play to unite Christendom, and the Greek Orthodox likewise.

I don't know for sure, but I feel like there were Roman Catholic-appointed-Bishops for Antioch and Jerusalem following the First and Second Crusades... Just in case one wanted to double-check historiographical cohesion of such an idea.

[VINC.XXIII]

"Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem", evidently, the roots of many problems during Middles Ages and again today

[Heathen Storm]

In Scandinavia:
Temple of Uppsala - a beautiful temple in Northern Sweden, it was the biggest and most prominent pagan temple in the entire world. My recommendation: use Snori Sturlesson's description, not Adam of Bremen's - he liked to really distort details. (This would be in the Dark Age and/or Early campaign).

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Jotunheimen - Mountain range in Norway, that was the origin of the stories of the Jotuns (giants) in Norway. Dark Age, Early, Middle and Late (its natural, its not goin anywhere!)

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Ale's Stones in Skana - a part of the Danish Kingdom for most it's rule, even though it is on the Swedish peninsula. Should be for most if not all eras.

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The Snoldelev Runestone in Zealand - the area of Roskilde. It is one of the oldest runestones in Scandinavia, and also one of the most prominent.

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I will think of some more

[SicilianVespers]

Excellent, thanks!

[Heathen Storm]

SicilianVespers - I updated my post above with a couple more wonders for you. If you would like, I could include some pictures.

[SicilianVespers]

SicilianVespers - I updated my post above with a couple more wonders for you. If you would like, I could include some pictures.

This would be great, thanks...

[Heathen Storm]

This would be great, thanks...

There you go!

[RollingWave]

The Wonders I have in my own SS submods are.. (including the SS wonders) for your consideration. essentially i put in all the most important islamic centers, a center for Baltic Pagans, the Aachen Cathedral is obviously important to the Carloginian legacy, and the Golden Gates of Kiev represent the heart of the Rus civilzation obviously. mostly my choosing is more based on political significance.

Dome of the Rock
Church of the Holy Sepulchre
Haiga Sophia
Notre Dame
Ka'ba
Aqueduct of Contaninople
Cordoba Mosque
St. Mark's Basilica of Venice
-----------------------------(ole SS)

Great Temple of Perkunas of Vilnus (I used the more fabled name Romuva)
Al-Masjid al-Nabawi (Prophet's Mosque of Medina)
Bait al-Hikma (House of Wisdom in Baghdad)
Qasr al-Khalifa (Golden Gate Palace of Baghdad)
Giza Necropolis
Light House of Alexandria
Theodean Walls
Aachen Cathedral (this would be more appropirate than Charlemagne's palace after the Dark Age)
Ğām' Banī 'Umayya (Great Ummayad Mosque of Damascus)
Gāma` al-Azhar ( Mosque of the most resplendent in Cairo)
Zoloti Vorota (Golden Gates of Kiev)

BC has UI cards for House of Wisdom / Dome of the Rock / Holy Sepulcher / Prophet's Mosque / Umayyad Mosque / Ka'ba that you can use, I asked the BC team already and they acknowledge that those are also included in their unit permission .

[Ixor_Drakar]

I made this pitch to broken crescent way back but I think it would be of more use here.
Mount Athos, the Hagion Oros(Holy Mountain). Chalkidike peninsula, Greece. It had around 20 monasteries and was an independent monastic state with the protection of the Romans. Most notable is the Great Lavra.It was a center for Orthodox faith and peopled by Greeks, bulgarians, rus, serbians and franks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos

It has 16 monasteries today, all functional tho with far less monks then once. But it's a "mountain", actually a whole island full of huge monasteries, to represent it in game would be totally difficult. However if in spite of that the idea passes, maybe the best would be Simonopetra for game purposes. Btw it's the first 10 storey building in Europe/14th century/:

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[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

Mount Athos,
---> an independent monastic state with the protection of the Romans <----

How do you propose that it is implemented? Building effects, etc.?

I like the idea a lot.

[Ixor_Drakar]

Other than just a boost to Orthodox it could give priests a new trait boosting their piety which would help against the Turks and in the High campaign against the Latins. Aside from its general importance in society.

[husker9.2]

Gotta throw this one in for my ancestral home town

The Albrechtsburg, the former residence of the House of Wettin, is regarded as being the first castle to be used as a royal residence in the German-speaking world.[citation needed] Built between 1472 and 1525, it is a fine example of late Gothic style. It was redecorated in the 19th century with a range of murals depicting Saxon history. Today the castle is a museum. Nearby is the 13th-century Gothic Meissen Cathedral (Meißner Dom), whose chapel is one of the most famous burial places of the Wettin family. The hill on which the castle and the cathedral are built offers a view over the roofs of the old town.

[RollingWave]

SV, if your interested, here's a UI card I made for the Golden Gate of Kiev based on Wiki pictures (modern day renovated gate + a painting of one of the Knayz marching through the Gate)

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[shikaka]

I don't want to show disrespect, but these churches/mosques were not 'wonders' back then. They are now, as they are preserved, and we don't build these anymore.

Hagia Sophia and Notre Dame for sure, but I think not every big cathedral/mosque should have 'wonder' effects.



Suggestions:

Serbia (or Vlachs): The Iron Gate (Đerdapska klisura this is the 'exit' of the Danube from the Carpathian basin. With the castle of Golubac this is a natural barrier which separates the Carpathian basin from the rest of the Balkans.


The great hungarian plain:
The biggest plain, the last bit of the steppe! (I think cheaper cavalry recruitment should do)

[RollingWave]

I don't want to show disrespect, but these churches/mosques were not 'wonders' back then. They are now, as they are preserved, and we don't build these anymore.

Hagia Sophia and Notre Dame for sure, but I think not every big cathedral/mosque should have 'wonder' effects.

It is disrespectful because you don't read into what is actually being purposed and why.

Most of the onces that are meantioned (espeically the mosque that i'm meantioning) are meantioend NOT becaused they survived... they are meantioned because they carry very VERY significant religious and/or political significance IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA.

The Aachen Cathedral is probably considered MORE of a wonder in the medieval era than today, it could be a shack and still be considered very very very important, for one reason, it housed the remains of Charlemagne. it is why any and every Holy Roman Emperor worth his spit want to hold their crowning ceremony there, even Napoleon debated until the last moment of his own crowning between Notre Dam and Aachen Cathedral.

The Mosque I would consider to be wonder worthy and isn't currently in are...

Al-Masjid al-Nabawi : they buried some dude called Mohammad there, not to meantion some dude called Umar and Abu Bakr, it was considered the second holiest place in Islam SINCE THE DAY Muhammad died.

Ğām' Banī 'Umayya al-Kabīr : the Ummayad Mosque, it was said to house the remain of some dude called John the Baptist. it has been the 4th holiest place of Islam since it's founding, not to meantion it only got more important as time went on, since some dude called Saladin got buried there. (it is the only Mosque a pope as ever visited)

Al-Azhar Mosque: It was the first Mosque in Cairo, it was the Main mosque of the Fatimid Caliph, AND it was the western worlds' most reknown university in the early medieval era.

Suggestions:

Serbia (or Vlachs): The Iron Gate (Đerdapska klisura this is the 'exit' of the Danube from the Carpathian basin. With the castle of Golubac this is a natural barrier which separates the Carpathian basin from the rest of the Balkans.


The great hungarian plain:
The biggest plain, the last bit of the steppe! (I think cheaper cavalry recruitment should do)

Why should the Hungarian plains be a wonder while you know.. the entire STEPPES are not? what your suggesting could easily be represented with mapping and hidden resource.

[husker9.2]

It is disrespectful because you don't read into what is actually being purposed and why.

Most of the onces that are meantioned (espeically the mosque that i'm meantioning) are meantioend NOT becaused they survived... they are meantioned because they carry very VERY significant religious and/or political significance IN THE MEDIEVAL ERA.

The Aachen Cathedral is probably considered MORE of a wonder in the medieval era than today, it could be a shack and still be considered very very very important, for one reason, it housed the remains of Charlemagne. it is why any and every Holy Roman Emperor worth his spit want to hold their crowning ceremony there, even Napoleon debated until the last moment of his own crowning between Notre Dam and Aachen Cathedral.

The Mosque I would consider to be wonder worthy and isn't currently in are...

Al-Masjid al-Nabawi : they buried some dude called Mohammad there, not to meantion some dude called Umar and Abu Bakr, it was considered the second holiest place in Islam SINCE THE DAY Muhammad died.

Ğām' Banī 'Umayya al-Kabīr : the Ummayad Mosque, it was said to house the remain of some dude called John the Baptist. it has been the 4th holiest place of Islam since it's founding, not to meantion it only got more important as time went on, since some dude called Saladin got buried there. (it is the only Mosque a pope as ever visited)

Al-Azhar Mosque: It was the first Mosque in Cairo, it was the Main mosque of the Fatimid Caliph, AND it was the western worlds' most reknown university in the early medieval era.




Why should the Hungarian plains be a wonder while you know.. the entire STEPPES are not? what your suggesting could easily be represented with mapping and hidden resource.

Lets not turn his thread into a "My suggestion is better than yours thread".

Both make a good point. but ultimately it's really not worth badgering over.

The Churches and Mosques Rolling wave suggested i do believe should be implemented, Religion was a big thing too all factions during this era, and all the ones i have seen thus far make a good argument for inclusion.

All of these holy sites had a significant impact on their peoples and factions.

shikaka makes some good suggestions as well, all the suggestions you have are relatively simple add ons.