Annyone seen this? Is it interesting? Is there any credibillity to it?Once, the idea of a lost world under the sea was the stuff of legend, but now scientists are rediscovering a sunken land and piecing together the lives of the people who lived there. In Northern Europe, a huge area known as Doggerland disappeared beneath the waves and has remained underwater ever since. But evidence of this lost land is starting to emerge. In this two-hour special, learn why archaeologists believe Stone Age Europeans lived on this land and pioneered an advanced culture.
Read more: http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...#ixzz0zIgXXVET
It's on tv this week
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There was a Doggerland, yeah. But it has
all to do with Atlantis, which was a hypothetical city, a thought experiment expounded by Plato. It was never meant to be taken literally.
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Yes, I know there was no Atlantis, and I figured they put the name in the title to atract viewers.
Originally Posted by MaximiIian
There was a Doggerland, yeah. But it has all to do with Atlantis, which was a hypothetical city, a thought experiment expounded by Plato. It was never meant to be taken literally.
I want to know if this will be an interesting docu about the neolithicum, or if this will be 2 hours of pseudo archeology and shady authours claiming it could be Atlantis, and asking people to be open.
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It's Nat Geo, so it's probably okay. If it were History Channel, I'd call the latter.
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The notion of highly developed insular cultures is hardly far-fetched, look at prehistoric Malta and Minoan Krete.
Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
Originally Posted by Miel Cools
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones -
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The thing about Malta and Krete though is that the islands are still there. The idea that an entire continent just sunk is scientifically impossible.
Some day I'll actually write all the reviews I keep promising...
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Well, obviously not a continent, but an island. It's not impossible that a massive flood wiped out an island the size of Belgium. Originally Posted by Manco
Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
Originally Posted by Miel Cools
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones -
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Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer
Yes, but if we take plato serious, wich Atlantis believers allways tell me to do ( they allways say he was a serious man who never made things up), then Atlantis should be the size of Northern Africa and modern day Turkey combined. There sshould also have been a huge war between the Kings of Atlantis and all of europe and asia. The armies of Europe and Asia where led by Athens, but Plato claims this was 9.000 years before he was born, and there was no Athens back then -
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Well, obviously he either made that up or seriously misinterpreted something. He stated that Solon got the information about Atlantis from Egyptian priests who told them about it. Aristotle thought that Plato made it up. However, according to some historians, Plato was in fact talking about Krete. He just got his numbers wrong. Instead of 9600 BC, it would be 1500 BC, which would collerate with a gigantic volcanic explosion at Thera that devastated Krete and probably caused it's massive decline. Plato's story of Atlantis would just be a fancyful interpretation. Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara
Last edited by Dr. Croccer; September 12, 2010 at 03:32 PM.
Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
Originally Posted by Miel Cools
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones -
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This looks pretty cool.
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The Minoan culture was hardly insular, nor pre-historic.The notion of highly developed insular cultures is hardly far-fetched, look at prehistoric Malta and Minoan Krete.IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one. -
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Its pretty common knowledge that during the ice age, Britain was a peninsula of mainland Europe. When the ice melted, the land was submerged. There are medieval cities that are now underwater off the southern coast of Britain, so it doesn't surprise me to learn there are stone age settlements too.
Last edited by Copperknickers II; September 12, 2010 at 11:39 AM.
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tell that to Euroskeptics Originally Posted by Copperknickers II
Its pretty common knowledge that during the ice age, Britain was a peninsula of mainland Europe. When the ice melted, the land was submerged. There are medieval cities that are now underwater off the southern coast of Britain, so it doesn't surprise me to learn there are stone age settlements too.
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Alas, Plato was telling porky-pies. Nobody took Atlantis seriously in antiquity, or indeed until reasonably modern times. I heard a good case put forward for a South American civlization that dates back to the right sort of period, is "as large as Libya and Persia" or whichever places he mentioned, and is "west of the pillars of Heracles", aka the Straits of Gibralta.
But, I genuinely think it was hooey. It's a fantastic idea, and I'd love it to be true. But then I'd love it if I won the lottery or if England actually did well in the football. But wanting it won't make it happen.Euroba Barbarorum convert -
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I watched it, it's nothing too groundbreaking, but interesting none the less. Take the "advanced culture" bit with a grain of salt. Yes, it was somewhat advanced for the timeperiod, or rather more advanced than originally was asumed. Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara
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Problem is the eruption and the decline of Crete do not really mesh and anyway nothing about Crete matches Plato's story, and nobody else in the ancient world knows word one about such a story (except after Plato and referencing Plato). The real problem is failing to accept you know people can just make stuff up and Plato was about as brilliant as they come, a git, but still brilliant.Plato was in fact talking about Krete. He just got his numbers wrong. Instead of 9600 BC, it would be 1500 BC, which would collerate with a gigantic volcanic explosion at Thera that devastated Krete and probably caused it's massive decline. Plato's story of Atlantis would just be a fancyful interpretation.IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
