Sumskilz's Faces of DotS

**sumskilz** · May 24, 2011, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Makrell

Well the faces look good and scandinavian but the hair ticks me off. This was before the dominant brown and black haircolour was in full dominance in scandinavia so most people should have blonde hair. Both family members and units.

How do you know?

**Makrell** · May 24, 2011, 06:11 AM

Well i cant recall atm but i have read it. +Blonde is quite common even today. And seeing as brown is the dominant gentype/haircolour it is safe to assume there was more blondehaired people before, or blondehair would be seen to a much lesser extent than it is today. It isnt the immigrants who brings blonde hair to scandinavia afterall

**sumskilz** · May 24, 2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Makrell

Well i cant recall atm but i have read it. +Blonde is quite common even today. And seeing as brown is the dominant gentype/haircolour it is safe to assume there was more blondehaired people before, or blondehair would be seen to a much lesser extent than it is today. It isnt the immigrants who brings blonde hair to scandinavia afterall

Seems like a logical assumption to me, just wondering if there is evidence to support the assumption. Three of those head models actually look like shades of blond in the game. The lighting and gamma correction are different from in Milkshape.

The models are all based on real people from the region of origin for each of the units but as far ratios of light to dark hair I tend to go by this:

**Slaytaninc** · May 24, 2011, 02:24 PM

I have a question: What programs do you use for this, and where do you find the material?

Also, if some of those programs aren't free, are there good substitutes? I assume that I have all the programs I would need, even if I have to make substitutions.

**Makrell** · May 24, 2011, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by sumskilz

Seems like a logical assumption to me, just wondering if there is evidence to support the assumption. Three of those head models actually look like shades of blond in the game. The lighting and gamma correction are different from in Milkshape.

The models are all based on real people from the region of origin for each of the units but as far ratios of light to dark hair I tend to go by this:

Cant say i see anything in that map that doesnt support my stratement. It is natural to believe that the blondehair(being a recessive gene) Was quite a lot bigger before, so that belt in norway sweden and finland would probably go far more south.
And could be my norwegian giving me a bit here, cause being scandinavian blondes are defined much harder here

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im guessing most southern people define it a bit differently. So i would say atleeast one of the faces should be with the hair like the fuy in pic one

**sumskilz** · May 24, 2011, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Makrell

im guessing most southern people define it a bit differently. So i would say atleeast one of the faces should be with the hair like the fuy in pic one

Sure, I don't disagree with that.

Originally Posted by Slaytaninc

I have a question: What programs do you use for this, and where do you find the material?

Also, if some of those programs aren't free, are there good substitutes? I assume that I have all the programs I would need, even if I have to make substitutions.

None of the programs I use are free but all you really need is the ability to create models, UV map, and create textures. I base the textures and the models off of pictures which I take myself, get from TWC members, or find on the internet. You don't need special tools but they can save you time.

**Slaytaninc** · May 25, 2011, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by sumskilz

Sure, I don't disagree with that.

None of the programs I use are free but all you really need is the ability to create models, UV map, and create textures. I base the textures and the models off of pictures which I take myself, get from TWC members, or find on the internet. You don't need special tools but they can save you time.

Do you directly adapt photos to create your textures, or are the photos just used as models?

Also, are the vanilla heads adequate for faces to match, or do you have to adjust them?

As for tools, I have GIMP, Milkshape, and LithUnwrap.

**Hengest** · July 30, 2011, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Makrell

Cant say i see anything in that map that doesnt support my stratement. It is natural to believe that the blondehair(being a recessive gene) Was quite a lot bigger before, so that belt in norway sweden and finland would probably go far more south.

It's a misconception that recessive genes means that it is dying out or on the way out. It has been proven that the idea bandied about by racists that 'there will be no blonde women left in 100 years' is absolute crap. So there is little evidence to suggest that ratios of fair hair have changed that much in northern Europe in 500 years. Unless the plague and the World Wars have drastically effected the gene pool.

I do think that what Scandinavians call fair hair and what non-Nordic people call fair hair is very different. I am blonde and English and I live in Sweden, so I think that qualifies me to make that call. England for instance has a lot of 'mousey' haired people or apparently darkhaired people that magically turn very obviously blonde in summer. You have to think that medieval people were constantly outdoors too, so fair hair would have been quite common generally. Our Iberian researcher has adamantly defended the theory that northern Hispanics were actually quite fairhaired in the Middle Ages (more so than today), there is some good evidence for this too. Catherine of Aragon springs to mind. Also you can see from Italian portraits that many people women in particular were very fairhaired. Possibly due to the Langobardic ancestry and perhaps also the Norman influx too. Yet clearly the majority were very recognisable as modern Italians. I've been collecting a lot of medieval portraits for the mod, so I'm fairly familiar with this.

**Mighty_Matt** · August 10, 2011, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hross

It's a misconception that recessive genes means that it is dying out or on the way out. It has been proven that the idea bandied about by racists that 'there will be no blonde women left in 100 years' is absolute crap. So there is little evidence to suggest that ratios of fair hair have changed that much in northern Europe in 500 years. Unless the plague and the World Wars have drastically effected the gene pool.

Can you cite a reference for this Hross?

Just because i have always thought that was true and i'm quite interested now, i've even seen it mentioned in afew historical documentaries, this sort of thing usualy comes up when talking about the Mongol expansion or Muslim control of Iberia etc.