Tsardoms Total War - General Discussion & Progress

[Julio85]

Hello!

I think you are going OT. maybe it is better come back to Tsardom?

After Tsardom will be release you may say if, in your opinion had represented the Balkans in a way that you consider Historically accurate and the reason of that.
Until that release it is better to avoid any kind of discussion that probably it is very hurting for you all since the 90' and probably because had influenced your life since that point.

I think all of you share an hobby for Total War Games, better speak about something that you like instead of discuss on something that divide and generate tension.

[AnthoniusII]

I could see this making sense for the Sclavenoi as they were under the influence of the Avari, but how did the Antes end up becoming Serbs and Croats? I could be wrong, but I have idea that after AD 600 they retreated north into the forest steppe and eventually formed groups like the Tivertsi and Ulichs in Western Ukraine, Moldova, and Eastern Romania. The Martinovka Treasure is attributed to them

According to Roman Chronicles all slavic branches spread out in entire balkan penissula.
Those that -today- know as Serbs and Croats stayed relatively in small areas forming large political entities while the rest , replaced the part of the Roman population that left country and migraded to urban centers.
Their villages with each one becoming a "tribe" named by Romans Sclavineae (gr: Σκλαβηνιαι).
There are traces of such tribe (Milinges) even to south Greece.
Map of sclavineae

In 11th century most of them in the south/cental balkans either hellenised or Bulgarised.
That is why when the 2nd Great Romano-Bulgarian war came , villages and cities easily changed sides.
EDIT: Balkan history isso complicated because of the population and culture mixures (Greeks,Gauls,Thracians, later Goths,Slavs , Bulgarians).
Unforthunatly that complication leads to extreme opinions of "ethnic" background.
Remember that Video of FYROM a decade ago that "God" spoke to them that they were the true Macedonians and the entire white race comes from them.
In such "enviroment" logic is the 1st victim.

[Gigantus]

I have been given to understand that it is apparently traditional to get personal when it comes to discussing matters concerning the Balkan region. Please consider this as the line where this traditional approach stops, the alternative will be measures that go beyond the large number of simple edits and deletions I have done.

[Bosnian_King]

Greetings to the developing team,

A new history book has been made in Bosnia with historical accurate battles from the medieval times:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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[Mamlaz]

"Ogroman broj najuglednijih i najbogatijih ugarskih plemica..." - Never change Balkans, never change lol


The battle was between some local Bosnian nobles supporting king Ostoja(and thus, Hungarian side technically) and other local Bosnian nobles supporting Tvrtko II(with Hrvoje Hrvatinic).

The kingdom of Hungary was barely involved, not even Croatian nobles participated, it was a civil war battle between Bosnians, how the hell Bosnian historiography managed to reform the battle as some mighty victory over Hungary is beyond me.

[Bosnian_King]

Which battle? 20 different battles are described in this book.

[Hrobatos]

Just if someone cares, here is English translation of De Administrando Imperio

http://homepage.univie.ac.at/ilja.steffelbauer/DAI.pdf

[Gigantus]

The local moderator was faster then me (lucky for most concerned) and took care of a rather large number of posts that certainly don't belong into a mod's general discussion thread. Do take political discussion, especially recent politics, into the mudpit where it belongs. I trust everyone knows the difference between discussing history and discussing politics?

Edit: the various professions of digestive disorders don't even belong there.

[Hrobatos]

Alll spam and off topic posts shall be deleted.
For political bashing there is political mudpit.

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

Amazing how many posts deleted as off topic. This timeline is very "hot"

[Gigantus]

There are nearly thirty posts between this message and my last one. Not even a handful is left.

Let's make this easy - the next one posting off topic (anything not directly connected to the game) in here will not be saved anymore by the local moderators. I would suggest to make yourselves very familiar with the off optic rule - my patience has run out.

[SipahiBiH]

Thanks to Gigantus for stopping the politically and historically incorrect Postst now.

We will continue with Tsardoms.
How is it going? how far are we? Will the MOD be still playable this year?
If pictures or historical contributions are required... I am in possession of several books of the history of the Balkans and its peoples.
Tell me how I can help to help the MOD.



"Bosnom nikad nitko nije uspio da vlada, uvijek mu se to samo činilo"
Alija Izetbegović

[j.a.luna]

Thanks to Gigantus for stopping the politically and historically incorrect Postst now.

We will continue with Tsardoms.
How is it going? how far are we? Will the MOD be still playable this year?
If pictures or historical contributions are required... I am in possession of several books of the history of the Balkans and its peoples.
Tell me how I can help to help the MOD.



"Bosnom nikad nitko nije uspio da vlada, uvijek mu se to samo činilo"
Alija Izetbegović

ei friend, i know that this is the incorrect thread for this so sorry...but if you can help with serbian faction and maybe also make some bulgarian unit in sship mod(s.XII-XV), this faction need a good unit roster and some historical researches, please if you can, support sship team about serbian faction, sship player how me, they will thank you
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forum...roject-(SSHIP)

[Hrobatos]

I have yet again deleted off-toppic posts. Map of Bosnia in 800. is not relevant to Tsardoms mod in any way.

There is Vestugia Vetustatis for historical discussions. Please move it over there. You can post link here so anyone interested can follow up and join the discussions.

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

This thread is magic, Balkans will never change.

[Dead*Man*Wilson]

Hey Guys,

Just started looking into this mod not long ago. Very interesting stuff. I've been researching the time period and the factions involved and it's very fascinating. Indeed, CA (or any developer for that matter) has never shown this region much love, so all that I've been finding out about the event surrounds this mod is brand new to me. This mod has a lot to offer! With me being an African-American, I think you all have succeeded with the goal of educating people of all backgrounds about this conflict-ridden, culturally rich, diverse and extremely fascinating region & period!

Its been a little while, so is it possible for us to get a bit of a progress report? I realize this is pretty much the lamest question a spectator can ask a mod team, but I don't think any finds would mind a little insight. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

[Miszel]

Our mapper, Dcadastro should soon return from his trip to the Old World to finish the map.
Meanwhile Jurcek is working on stratmap characters.
Maybe he will share some pic soon.

[Wallachian]

Thank you for your kind words Dead Man Wilson. We are still around but had a break during summer with pretty much no work done in the past months. As Miszel said dcdastro our mapper is back from holidays and is ready to resume his mapping work. We need to finish the map, finish coding all buildings, add characters and armies on the map and fix a crash bug which is causing us problems. All faction rosters are over and done with though.

[Darios]

Meanwhile Jurcek is working on stratmap characters.

I am going to absolutely love this...

[Wallachian]

Ask and you shall receive