Faction list

**Rosacrux redux** · January 18, 2006, 06:46 AM

Not if you modelled them accurately: very few templars, hospitalers etc. knights were readily available at all times (for instance, the disaster at Hattin has costed the Templars 1/3 of the total brothers knights - around 230 men - meaning they had less than 700 knights, in addition of course to the sergeants and squires. No to mention that the Templars were usually the most numerous of the orders at that period). So, if you have a unit that costs 2X the amount of the best knight unit of that faction, a high maintenance cost and smaller unit size, and takes 2X the turns of a regular knightly unit... no, they won't be invinsible.

The knight orders were indeed kind of independant (the Papal control was only a formality, they usually manipulated the Popes to extract favorable Bulls, not vice versa) but they held only castles and outposts, they had no state in place.

**dragases1453** · January 18, 2006, 07:15 AM

Yap, but it would a shame to don't put them as a faction. i think that a mod focused on crusades, without the orders as faction isn't a mod focusing on the crusades.

**Maethius** · January 18, 2006, 12:22 PM

There can only be a certain limit to how realistic a game can be. Since I want to play as Templars or any other order the costs can be high but within gaming reason.

**almansor** · February 22, 2006, 07:27 AM

suggestion: can you add the al mohades or al moravides,because in history of maghreb(morocco, algeria, tunisia, liby) was controlled by the al mohade empires.for the they disapear very kquikly zirite and they have a unite lamtuna.
lamtuna is the tribe of the almoravides.so ithink we can add almoravides

**Glycerius** · February 22, 2006, 08:21 AM

If this game had a more sophisticated modelling of provinces so that noblemen might rule individual territories within a kingdom - like in Crusader Kings - the Orders would be easier. I would give them some of separate existence. Perhaps Smyrna or part of Cyprus, Rhodes could be possible territories for the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem. While the Hospitallers were not as sovereign in practice as the Teutonic Knights, they were ruled by no one except their masters and the Pope.

**almansor** · March 10, 2006, 12:05 PM

i think they will be very nice if the modders can add the mongols(we can call them ilkhanat or golden horde or what ever).this will make the muslm very weak this will make crusader total war very funny.

**dragases1453** · March 10, 2006, 01:26 PM

this could be put in a second release...we want to finish a basic mod in a few time so you can enjoy it with a playable campaign...then in later releases we'll surely add new factions...

**almansor** · March 10, 2006, 05:21 PM

ok i understand.and i'm sur i will enjoy this mod

**finzy** · March 21, 2006, 01:03 AM

So there isnt going to be a England or france and the other countries in europe. Or are they going to be added in a later release?

**Nikephoros** · March 21, 2006, 06:24 AM

probably not. We are planning to make a "crusader faction", in which we can represent all the crusader "foreign" expeditions...but we are not sure yet.

**dragases1453** · March 21, 2006, 02:26 PM

This mod is focsing only on the holy land....

**finzy** · March 23, 2006, 03:52 AM

But didnt England fight for the "holy land" also? Under the command of the pope? But is the papal included and if so will they have english units and such?

**dragases1453** · March 23, 2006, 07:44 AM

In the holy land there will be a lot of "European" mercenary units, as longobowmen, french arbalestriers, norman knights and others

**finzy** · March 23, 2006, 02:29 PM

Okay sorry for those annoying posts if you found them annoying. I dont know much about this period of time and i thought they where there.

**greek302** · May 09, 2006, 04:42 PM

Change of plans, I am now working on re-skinning some norman units.

View image - Templar Icon

**Pompei the Great** · May 09, 2006, 09:15 PM

The factions are not completely finalized yet but we will be providing these for our first release. The later versions will be adding or changing factions depending on the gameplay itself.

**greek302** · May 09, 2006, 09:26 PM

Since you are a historian...I need to ask you a question. I can't find a good seljuk symbol, so I was wondering if It would be ok to use the current Turkish flag for the banner & icon?

**Nikephoros** · May 10, 2006, 07:08 AM

i sent you some symbol we used for a few muslim\crusader factions

check them if you find the time

**Pompei the Great** · May 10, 2006, 08:28 AM

A basic Islamic symbol is the Crescent like the Cross is for the Crusaders

THE CRUSADES: THE CRESCENT AND THE CROSS on the History Channel

No modern flags, if you please...