A small mistake on your part.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

When playing RR 7.3 I noticed that in the place that corresponds to western Russia there is a settlement named campus Latgalli or vicus Latgalli, but ~500 km west, around the location of modern day Lithuanian/Russian border there is campus Slavi or something like that. You should swap them. I am Latvian, a descendant of the latgallians, and they really lived there not further east at that time.

[wulfgar610]

A bit of a problem, with two distinct language groups in the region....Baltic and Finnish. And no medieval clerics to provide us with a scorecard in the Roman period.
But the Slavic language group doesn't seem to have been present in the precise region so early on.

There is an opinion the Baltic language was the dominant language of what is now northern Russia in ancient times.

The real question is whether Finnish was more widely spread in the Baltic region back then and the Baltic languages were the migrants?

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

I say the baltic speaking latgalli and aesti were dominant along the southern/southeastern coast (past the germanic territorries) but on the north east it transitioned to finnish

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I say the baltic speaking latgalli and aesti were dominant along the southern/southeastern coast (past the germanic territorries) but on the north east it transitioned to finnish

Aesti are the ancestors of estonians. They spoke finno-ugric. And never have the slavs lived to the west of balts. South west (modern day Poland) doesn't count. And I know my history well. Vicus slavi is in Latgale, part of Latvia inhabited by Latgallians

[wulfgar610]

Aesti are the ancestors of estonians. They spoke finno-ugric. And never have the slavs lived to the west of balts. South west (modern day Poland) doesn't count. And I know my history well. Vicus slavi is in Latgale, part of Latvia inhabited by Latgallians

I spite of the 3 Baltic states been carved up by foreign powers on an equal footing historically. The Estonians and Livonians of Northern Latvia could be actually called Finns, linguistically they couldn't be further apart from the Balts..

The Finns had always been there, big question is did the Balts migrate to the coast at the same time the Slavs did in the 5th to 6th century AD.

Supposedly Attila invaded the region and slaughtered the Germanic and Finnic inhabitants creating spare room.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

But vicus slavi is in latgallian territory. As is campus latgalli.

[wulfgar610]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samogitian_dialect

Got a nice little map in this wiki article.

But that was 1200 AD. In Roman times the Baltics might have been further away from the coast.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages


Got a nice little map for the Bronze Age.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

The balts arrived at the coast and started pushing the finns back around 500 bc. And even if the finns still lived there, I doubt they would have had a settlement vicus slavi.

[wulfgar610]

The balts arrived at the coast and started pushing the finns back around 500 bc. And even if the finns still lived there, I doubt they would have had a settlement vicus slavi.

My theory is that the amber coasts where depopulated of the Finns by the invading Huns. These Finns were wealthy and sophisticated.

Actually what Archaeological evidence there is confirms it. These areas suffered vast depopulation at the time of the Huns. Neither the Balts or the Slavs did any pushing at the time, they were too unsophisticated for that.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

You should know that the huns never came here. They didn't go further north in the west as Prussia. And in baltic history I am an authority. Even every schoolkid knows the history of Europe. And the depopulation happened due to several factors - one of them being the invading balts. Although the livonians controlled the Riga bay (dunno how you call it) until the german crusaders. The slavs were never here at all. The russian or polish empires don't count.

[wulfgar610]

The Amber coast includes further Pomerania which was controlled by a Germanic people. This was invaded by Slavs. But the rest of the Amber coast was Finnish.

You should know that the huns never came here.

You mean he conquered the Ukraine, Germany and Poland. And then ignore the one precious material within easy reach? The Huns which struggling with a trade imbalance with Rome for luxury goods, would ignore the one thing the rest of the world wanted.

Amber was worth its weight in silver.

Attila didn't just use the stick. It's made quite clear he wielded power with the carrot as well.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

1.: This thread is not about the amber coast, but about the terriotory inland;
2.: You don't stand a chance to convince me, especially off-topic;
3.: The section of the amber coast from modern day Klaipeda in Lithuania to modern day Ventspils in Latvia was controlled by the kurši (curonians) ever since the balts invaded;
4.: The finno-ugrics were pushed north fairly quickly;
5.: The slavs never lived here;
6.: It seems you don't really understand which terriotory I am talking about;
7.: Where are you from? That may explain some of your posts.


And about the huns: They might have excercised some tributary controle over this region, but they never came this far north. They wouldn't really be able to controle this territory, as this was a very heavily forested area, not really the best terrain where to fight the Hun way.

[wulfgar610]

Basically what I'm saying is the Finnish race ruled what the currently the Baltic states and East Prussia until Attila the Hun paid them a visit.

The Finns are a very tough valiant race. It would take somebody as vicious as Attila to defeat them.

The Balts conquered nothing. They simply moved into a territory made vacant by the Huns.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Oh, I undersrand. You started going epicly off-topic without reading the OP and seeing that the discussion is discontinued because of your ethnic affility with the finns. LET THIS THREAD DIE. THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BALTS CONQUERING OR NOT CONQUERING, THIS IS ABOUT A SMALL MISTAKE IN THE MOD. REPEAT, LET THIS ING DIE.




I am sorry for all the good people who have to read this capslock illiteral mayhem.

[wulfgar610]

Oh, I undersrand. You started going epicly off-topic without reading the OP and seeing that the discussion is discontinued because of your ethnic affility with the finns. LET THIS THREAD DIE. THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BALTS CONQUERING OR NOT CONQUERING, THIS IS ABOUT A SMALL MISTAKE IN THE MOD. REPEAT, LET THIS ING DIE.




I am sorry for all the good people who have to read this capslock illiteral mayhem.

Oh forgive me. I have no known relation to the Finns. Sorry I couldn't help the stir. Unfortunately the local newspapers of the time are a little scant. I've known Latvian people for over 30 years, so I'm a I'm a little familiar with their cultural issues.

But the above is my serious conjecture. The only thing scant Roman sources suggest is Attila carried his conquests to the Islands of the Baltic. Actually this conjecture has been around since Gibbons. Similiar is suggested in the Anglo Saxon work Widsith's Saga. So in two sources from completely different cultures mention is made of the Huns appearing in force.

We know in other regions that the Huns caused population dislocations on a scale rarely repeated.

[julianus heraclius]

Guys, please keep things on topic and civil. I do not want to have to report anyone.

Thanks

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Close this. Please

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I don't want to glorify my people, this thread is about a settlement. And you probably think I am an illiterate barbarian who does not have even the slightest comprehension of history and likes to worship his dead ancestors. So everything I say, write or express to you in any other way you consider meaningless and insignificant, so there is no point in arguing anyway.

[julianus heraclius]

Closed on request