imperial reform help

[Asterix]

i am well into the imperial reforms, but i am quite confused.
it says in the release thread one must build a merged city and a curia hostilia for the named and numbered legions to be recruited. does merged city mean "economic and fortified region?" and how does one build a curia hostilia? what tree is that in and when can i build it? i also read that you have to have a "supply of army rations" to train legions? and are the the only place i have named and numbered legions is Roma and Carthago. and, what tree is the roman fortress in and does building that lead to the curia hostilia? also, are the hamata legions the ones that are simply called "legionarys?"
the building browser doesn't help much
also, how does one grant citizenship, what tree is that in?
and yes, i know i have a lot of questions

[sithlord447]

the roman army tree (starting at campus martius) is
campus martinus---->roman fortress----->Curia Hostillia

after reforms C.M gives you the generic roman legionary, with local units as support, R.F. gives you hamata legions with auxillary, and curia hostillia full segmentata legions.

the suppy of army rations is its own building, buildiable 3 city level and up.

and yes the economic and fortified is the merged building required.

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thats how the citizenship tree works, and all this info is IN GAME, just read the building descriptions and it tells you what you need

[Frost, colonel]

and yes the economic and fortified is the merged building required.

Excuse my ignorance, but does this mean there is an option to build both, is that what you mean by a merged building?
Sorry just trying to get this straight before I start what I presume will be a rather involving Roman campaign when I am off shift.

[Asterix]

what do you need to build a campus martius?
thank you very much

[Gollrir]

what do you need to build a campus martius?
thank you very much

I think you need to build it somwhere in sicily and you need some extra regions conquered

[MemphisRex]

ya it's Akragas in Sicily

[Themis]

When you first select either economic or fortified city, it gives you the options of either economic or military structures, later when you build a merged city (economic and fortified) you get both, you can create both military and economic top level buildings in your settlements.

To optain the campus martius, i believe you need a 3rd tier barracks, import of weapons grade ore, fortified city / merged city and the army supply building, from there on it should all be in the descriptions

[Lucius Aemilius Scaurus]

Its also only available AFTER the reforms in Akragas (Build an Imperial Palace there => huge city). Well thats what i remember.

[rory o'kane]

The Campus Martius is constructable before the reforms, however, the two levels of barracks above it are not. Remember - in order to build any barracks higher than 3rd tier (i think it's 3rd tier), you need to have access to iron, tin, lead, or copper in that settlement - either one or more are already present in the region, or you'll have to build a Weapon Minerals import building (or something like that), or you won't be able to go further up the barracks tree. Of course, you can't build them in regions that already have the metals, so feel free to build the other one instead.

[Asterix]

The Campus Martius is constructable before the reforms, however, the two levels of barracks above it are not. Remember - in order to build any barracks higher than 3rd tier (i think it's 3rd tier), you need to have access to iron, tin, lead, or copper in that settlement - either one or more are already present in the region, or you'll have to build a Weapon Minerals import building (or something like that), or you won't be able to go further up the barracks tree. Of course, you can't build them in regions that already have the metals, so feel free to build the other one instead.

bless you rory and others. my my, it is quite difficult to get your real legions, isn't it?

[Belerophon]

So to have the imperial or Cesar legionaries recruitable i don't have to hit any particular date?

Just by building Campus Martius?

Can I do all that in Rome?

[rory o'kane]

So to have the imperial or Cesar legionaries recruitable i don't have to hit any particular date?

Just by building Campus Martius?

Can I do all that in Rome?

NO! In order to hit the reforms, you must build an Imperial Palace in Akragas (on Sicily). Following that, any settlements with the Campus Martius should be able to build the named and numbered hamata legionnaires - and if you build up the barracks above the Campus Martius in a given region, you'll gain the ability to train all the named and numbered legions available in that province, along with the Auxilia.

[Mattius]

You see how in 1.6, the province name had the legion it could recruit in brackets, what happens now?

[rory o'kane]

RSII's named and numbered legions are usually available over a wider area - so you should get a couple for Hispania, a couple for Britannia, a couple for Gaul etc. etc.

[Asterix]

ok, this is all great, now i need help on something else.
the galleici have taken over all Iberia and much of West North Africa. I am at war, and finding it a huge pain in the to attack them. Since the reforms took away the option to train most units, i am stuck with mainly skirmishers and mercs . i desperately need men to fight, and hold new provinces, which is virtually impossible because hardly any men are available. the recruitment system makes it possible to train men in a flash, so i have a tough time destroying the enemy since he can recover in an instant. the problem is that every battle can be immensely costly, and holding new settlements takes up huge time for the enemy to recover. how can i defeat the galleici and take territory quickly with the few resources i have?

[rory o'kane]

*sigh* this is why I never trigger the reforms until I have the territories that Rome historically possessed when Marius actually reformed the Army - it ensures I have a large-ish empire with cities at its core that are sufficiently well-developed to allow the rapid production of the new troops as they become available...

[Asterix]

*sigh* this is why I never trigger the reforms until I have the territories that Rome historically possessed when Marius actually reformed the Army - it ensures I have a large-ish empire with cities at its core that are sufficiently well-developed to allow the rapid production of the new troops as they become available...

....why didn't i think of that....

EDIT: for some strange reason it seems i have to grant citizenship before i can build a campus martius. what's up with that?

[Valiant The Brave]

I was lucky that i could recruit Normal legionary's but i never recruited more then 1 stack of normal but they are all 1 gold chevron and silver weapons so they kick ass

[rory o'kane]

Because legionnaires had to be Roman citizens, so it represents the fact that a province with a large number of Roman Citizens would make an excellent recruiting ground for what became the named and numbered legions, which are only available after you build the Roman Fortress and Curia Hostilia (of which the Campus Martius is a pre-requisite - so, no Campus Martius, technically, means no Roman Fortress and therefore no Curia Hostilia, and therefore no named/numbered legions in that province) - all of these buildings in part represent the increased "Romanization of the province, with legions based there now recruiting from a steadily increasing pool of Roman citizens as the province becomes ever more urbanised and integrated into the Roman bureaucracy .

[Brusilov]

The inability to train the 'numbered' legions immediately may be a pain but you should have sufficient armies to 'hold position' while you upgrade some settlements to be in a position to recruit them. Maybe the thing to do is to specialize your settlements - only allow a few at the start to recruit.

If I expand into a new area I will usually decide that one settlement (the largest or one that has a decent population and has access to iron) be the place to recruit units from and the others are built up economically.

The other thing to use as stop gap is mercenaries.

You still have your armies - it's just that you can't retrain units. Maybe the thing to do before the reforms kick in is to have some replacement armies ready to merge rookies in with the veterans after each battle? That's what I used to do with RS1 - either that or canabalize one army to keep the other operational.