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    Consider a couple that has sex and their condom breaks. He wants her to take emergency contraception, but she doesn't want to. She discovers she is pregnant and wants to keep the child. As the father, he has no choice but to accept whatever decision she takes. If he doesn't want to be a parent he may end up paying child support, all the woman's choice.

    Do you think there should be a "male abortion" (for want of a better word) whereby a man can "abort" his rights and responsibilities to a child before it is born?

    I mean, "it's the womans body" is all well and good if you're arguing whether abortion should be legal or whatever, but it's nonsense in real life. It isn't the woman's body, it's the man's life. His future is being decided by someone else and he can do nothing about it.

    What do you think?

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    It was his choice to have sex wasn't it, he took the risk so he is landed in it when it doesn't pay off. Btw, you haven't been watching a certain BBC television program beginning with W have you?
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    It was his choice to have sex wasn't it, he took the risk so he is landed in it when it doesn't pay off.
    same can be said of the woman
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    Btw, you haven't been watching a certain BBC television program beginning with W have you?
    I was watching some program on on some channel for like a minute as I was going through. What was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    same can be said of the woman
    Exactly. They both chose to take the risk of creating life, therefore they are both equally responsible for that life.

    I was watching some program on on some channel for like a minute as I was going through. What was it?
    Depends, what was in it.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Exactly. They both chose to take the risk of creating life, therefore they are both equally responsible for that life.
    they had condoms, so they assumed it wouldn't happen. The woman gets to decide what happens and the father has to go with that no matter what happens. How is that different from slavery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    they had condoms, so they assumed it wouldn't happen. The woman gets to decide what happens and the father has to go with that no matter what happens. How is that different from slavery?
    They assumed wrong. The woman shouldn't get to decide, i'm with the Catholics on this one: abortion is wrong.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    It was his choice to have sex wasn't it, he took the risk so he is landed in it when it doesn't pay off. Btw, you haven't been watching a certain BBC television program beginning with W have you?
    I think the point is they both risked the same, but the woman has the final word (often to her benifit and/or his detrement).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    It was his choice to have sex wasn't it, he took the risk so he is landed in it when it doesn't pay off. Btw, you haven't been watching a certain BBC television program beginning with W have you?
    But the guy also used protection and acted with the information that she would not get pregnant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    It was his choice to have sex wasn't it, he took the risk so he is landed in it when it doesn't pay off.
    Like they say, it takes two to tango. It's understandable, to a point, I suppose, since it's the female going through the whole process. But I do think it's ridiculous that the male has little to no say in the matter.

    However, admittedly, I'm a bit biased since I have a friend who I'm (and a few others) fairly sure was duped into getting a crazy bitc...er...girl pregnant
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    Laws in most euro countries always seem to assume the woman is always the victim.

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    Women are es. Accept it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    Women are es. Accept it.
    How eloquent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Consider a couple that has sex and their condom breaks. He wants her to take emergency contraception, but she doesn't want to. She discovers she is pregnant and wants to keep the child. As the father, he has no choice but to accept whatever decision she takes. If he doesn't want to be a parent he may end up paying child support, all the woman's choice.

    Do you think there should be a "male abortion" (for want of a better word) whereby a man can "abort" his rights and responsibilities to a child before it is born?

    I mean, "it's the womans body" is all well and good if you're arguing whether abortion should be legal or whatever, but it's nonsense in real life. It isn't the woman's body, it's the man's life. His future is being decided by someone else and he can do nothing about it.

    What do you think?
    Its called having sex. You know, the act of reproduction. You can't be surprised when pregnancy occurs. Of course, I am against abortion, so my opinion probably counts for little in this discussion.

    But the guy also used protection and acted with the information that she would not get pregnant.
    He was basing his decision on flawed information then. While pretty good, condoms are not 100% flawless. They can break/fail, and if one does not take that into consideration, the joke is on them. Self-imposed ignorance is no excuse.
    Last edited by ♔DeusVult!♔; September 08, 2010 at 04:38 PM.

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    We were talking of the man having the legal option to refuse to recognize his child not medical abortion.

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    Default Re: Male "abortion"

    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Do you think there should be a "male abortion" (for want of a better word) whereby a man can "abort" his rights and responsibilities to a child before it is born?
    Though question. Yes and no. On one hand I think it should both the woman and man should have a say in this. It mioght be unfair for a woman to have an abortion just because the farther of the child does not want it, but then I think the man should have the right to say no and give up his "rights" and responsibilities to the child. On the other hand it might be misused by some and I think people should take responsibility for their actions.

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    He would have the legal option to refuse to recognise his child if, say, the woman took his sperm without his permission and fertilised herself. In that case, it was not a risk taken by the father.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    If protection fails how can it be the fault of the man?

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    Quote Originally Posted by War lord View Post
    If protection fails how can it be the fault of the man?
    Because protection is never 100% infallible, the only way to prevent pregnancy is not to put the /\ near the \/ in the first place.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperknickers II View Post
    Because protection is never 100% infallible, the only way to prevent pregnancy is not to put the /\ near the \/ in the first place.
    I do bemoan the lack of inventiveness among today's Teenage sex addicts however how is protection failing the fault of the male?

    The woman must spread her legs first,No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by War lord View Post
    I do bemoan the lack of inventiveness among today's Teenage sex addicts however how is protection failing the fault of the male?

    The woman must spread her legs first,No?
    As i've already said, it takes two to tango. If you participate in the reproductive act, you are responsible for any organism produced. The woman and the man are equally responsible for that child.
    A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.

    A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."

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