Explanation of Calvins Roman Leadership System?

[Imperator of Rome]

Nope, I don't think it changes. I have had a pro consul still operate as a Tribunus.

[Dull_Gladius]

Nope, I don't think it changes. I have had a pro consul still operate as a Tribunus.

I noticed this as well. Annihilated Hannibal with the older Scipio and Flaminius' armies, left Flam in charge of the army for four turns to no avail. Oddly enough I experienced similar problems with RTR's military trait system.

[Bosje]

ok so i'm starting a new one-turn campaign just to take things slow and follow the various careers of my various characters...

the patricians make Tribune without problem but i'm not seeing any legatus either (yet)

all the plebs who i recruited as generals gain a civic career trait on the same turn that they are created, does that interfere with their military career perhaps? or do i just have to be patient and see them fight a while?
they are created as mercatores or negotiatores lvl1 and i give them a legion, walking around all over the map, not staying in any cities, but they are not making it to Centurion

and is the whole consul->legatus legionis->consul thing broken? it's not working for me

[Gaius Livius]

The term Legatus as in latin language probably exist before marian reforms but where not used in army command. However Pompey the Great introduced or used the term Legatus for his legion command and then it became an established function of the roman Army Command. Therefore RS 2 trait system is correct by not having the Legatus or Legatus Legionis trait before the marian reforms happen.

[Imperator of Rome]

I killed a Macedonian king/Another one of his armies with a 1 star Cornelius Scipio and he was still a Tribunus.
National leader not having any military rank.

Patrician not having the Tribunus/Legatus rank.

[mp84]

Seeing screenshots like this is little worrisome that there may be something minor that's wrong with the traits I think, unless other people can comment on having better experiences with it.

[Centaurion]

I don't understand the command system.

I have one general that has fought Carthage from the get go, winning 10+ battles (all "clear victories"), taken Carthage and 4 more settlements in Africa. Yet he has a "Populist general" trait, giving him -2 command and -1 moral (I think). That does not make any sense to me.

So, the ten thousand dollar question is; who does a man have to around here in order to get a command star?

[Dull_Gladius]

Well, seeing as how I've had similar problems with traits in other mods, it may be something the wrong with RTW itself. Then again I know next to nothing about this type of stuff so...

As for the command star thing, I read in another topic that the threshold of heroic victories needed is way higher.

[Imperator of Rome]

I honestly don't care about command stars. I do care about my characters actually having their careers represented.

[DaddyPro]

here is one of my generals, as u can see he became praetor w/o being aedile is it supposed to be like this?

[apple]

Has he ever been a legatus?

[Imperator of Rome]

Has he ever been a legatus?

I've never seen a legatus=/.

[mp84]

I've never seen a legatus=/.

yea, think something may be up with it, as I've never seen one either, and that Proconsul that I talked about earlier has been on the field for a 2 full turn and approaching his 3rd, and he's still a proconsul, and not a legatus, in fact the only thing I think he got was the bad "poliical general trait" so yea I think something may up with the system.

And don't get me wrong, the Mod is phenomenal,but just pointing out the minor quirks that's going on to help you perfect the mod naturally, because this system you in place when it truly works will be truly amazing for Roleplaying purposes.

[DaddyPro]

no he never been outside of the city.

[redinside]

OK guys. i dunno about you but a working system of roman leadership is really important to me cause it give a great spice up to the game in my opinon. Soooo i completely stopped my campaign just to have a check on the traits and see how they works. Here some considerations:

The economical careers seems fine for plebeians, equestrians and patricians. I have many generals with two or three levels in their careers, i also had a plebeian or equaestrian with senatorial class traits on a senator traits. This kind of carrers (negotiatores, lawyer, ect...) seems right to me. Many of mine generals got the questor traits and former questor traits. I never succeded in having a praetor till now.

I'm preatty sure that one of mine generals became questor twice.
I'm also preatty sure that one of mine generals was a questor and then when he became an Aedile Curule the "former questor" traits disappear. Is it normal?
If this is normal it's ok, in the other case i found many cases of people being Aedile Curule without being questors before.
One time i had a former questor who became a propraetor without being praetor before:


The military careers seems not workin properly. it's easy to have the tribune traits, even if it is not automatically for Patricians, as it have to be. I took one of mine tribunus, i fought almost 15 battles with clear victories, conquered patavinium, bononia, mediolanum and so on. Never been a Legatus.
For what concerns the jump from questor to praetor it is right according to Calvin's description. The Aedile or Aedile Curule traits is not part of the cursus honorum and it can be missed. But this trait need the "former questor" one, so if a general reached the Aedile Curule without the former questor one...tha's odd!

[apple]

I'm also preatty sure that one of mine generals was a questor and then when he became an Aedile Curule the "former questor" traits disappear. Is it normal?

Yes I think that's normal.

[redinside]

ok Apple, thanks, that solve part of problems! But confirm some others....why Quintus Metellus in my image have the "former quaestor" traits and the Propraetor 's one? The first should disappear....

[apple]

Tone and Dvk is the ones that should know how this works so don't take my word for what I say.
I changed my last answer to I think so as I'm not 100% sure.

[DaddyPro]

what i dont understand is:
Trigger Military_Rank_Legatus_04
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and EndedInSettlement
and CultureType roman
and not Trait Plebeian = 1
and Trait Patrician_Military_Tree = 2
and Trait Praetor = 1
and Trait Marian_Reforms_Legatus_Trait2 > 0
and IsUnderSiege

Affects Legatus 3 Chance 100

what does this line mean? Does it mean that to become legatus u need marian reforms?

[Imperator of Rome]

what i dont understand is:
Trigger Military_Rank_Legatus_04
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and EndedInSettlement
and CultureType roman
and not Trait Plebeian = 1
and Trait Patrician_Military_Tree = 2
and Trait Praetor = 1
and Trait Marian_Reforms_Legatus_Trait2 > 0
and IsUnderSiege

Affects Legatus 3 Chance 100

what does this line mean? Does it mean that to become legatus u need marian reforms?

I've tried it. It doesn't work.