Explanation of Calvins Roman Leadership System?

[Danny087]

Hi,

is it possible to write an explanation or manual or something like this of this brilliant peace of work by Calvin, the Roman Leadership System, so everybody understands how it exactly works?

thx

Danny

[tone]

Here's the nearest thing to an explanation, the images that Calvin produced at the end of last year explaining his system. We haven't really changed much and far as I can remember:

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[mp84]

wow thanks for that, that helps explain a lot about the trait system for the Romans which is awesome.

Edit: Actually I do have a question, for the General Part of the Tree:

Does he actually have to be in command of the army to gain the traits? Or can he be part of the army, and still go up the military career ladder?

[apple]

I think he only need to be in the field.

[tone]

Yes, the trait triggers are:

1) not ending the turn in a settlement (i.e. in the field) or
2) starting a turn in a settlement under siege

[DaddyPro]

How long praetor has to stay in army to become legatus? Does marian reforms has any effect on roman leadership traits?

[PadrePio]

very nice. very nice indeed. all hail to calvin!

[redinside]

This helps a lots but i still can't get in to' it. Many of mine generals become curule aedile without being questor. And i have propaetor Who never was praetor....

[tone]

Can you show some examples?

Is anyone else finding problems here?

[redinside]

Yes tone i'll post some screenies when i'll be' back from work. Military career seems to' work fine, but leadership seems strange...

[Danny087]

Thank you very very much, this really helps!

[Bosje]

most enlightening

[Acid Dent]

Staying inside forts count as "out in the field"?

[apple]

Staying inside forts count as "out in the field"?

I'm not sure.
You could try by taking two new generals placing on in a fort and the other one in the field.
If you do, please report back here.

[Imperator of Rome]

The military system doesn't seem to work for me. I see senatorial titles but no military titles whatsoever other then Tribunus.

[mp84]

The military system doesn't seem to work for me. I see senatorial titles but no military titles whatsoever other then Tribunus.

yea, not sure what's up with this too, I just moved my ProConsul, Gaius Flaminius Nepos, out of his city, and joined him with an army he's leading and ended turn.

Based on the triggers mentioned above, he should now automatically become a Legatus Legionis, however, he still only has the Proconsul title, I have to move to southern Italy, so I'll see if they get traits as he continues to be outside the field.

[tone]

yea, not sure what's up with this too, I just moved my ProConsul, Gaius Flaminius Nepos, out of his city, and joined him with an army he's leading and ended turn.

Based on the triggers mentioned above, he should now automatically become a Legatus Legionis, however, he still only has the Proconsul title, I have to move to southern Italy, so I'll see if they get traits as he continues to be outside the field.

So which is the biggest glitch in terms of the role playing in your eyes?

[mp84]

So which is the biggest glitch in terms of the role playing in your eyes?

Well, for Roleplaying purposes I try to give command of my legions to those of proper rank, or at least seem to be going up that path. So the fact, that some Patrician classes, even though it says they should be automatic in terms of going to tribune, does not happen, so it hurts the RP somewhat.

Then you have the pro-consuls, which again by the triggers should turn into Legatus Legionis which is important to me as I try to always have those people first leading the army.

Then I use the Cursus Honorum, and the ranks in in their careers, and give them the cushier governor jobs like Capua, etc.. (Basically the more influence you have, the more cushier your job can get.)

Yes this can lead to bad governors sometimes, but sometimes that's how it rolls, as Rome didn't always have perfect governors for every single region they controlled.

Again, it's just the little things, but overall it seems the Military Career path has the most glitches then anything else, so to me that would be the main focus.

Which was why I was sort of hoping for a quick fix or something, and perhaps have it posted in the sub-mods forum, but again I totally understand the need to keep fixes condense and together. At same time, I figured if it's sub-mod, then it could be something that you would use at your own risk, unofficially of course, but those are just my thoughts.

[apple]

I think it takes more than one turn.
He will still be Pro Consul.

[mp84]

I think it takes more than one turn.
He will still be Pro Consul.

ok I'll keep an eye out for it, as he'll be on the field for a little bit now.