Afghanistan: why don’t we just leave now?

[Vizsla]

So why don’t we just up sticks and leave them to get on with it. We give up nation building.
We drop Karzai in the because he’s corrupt and he was never a good ally.
We let them do whatever they like to each other.
Blow up ancient Buddhist monuments to their little hearts’ content ... whatever they want to do.

We monitor the situation for any Al Qaeda involvement and bomb anyone who looks like they are AQ.
This saves us wads of cash and hundreds of soldiers’ lives.
Obama can blame the whole thing on Bush.
Everybody wins except a few Afghans and they keep taking money to blow up our guys – so stuff ‘em.

Agree / Disagree?

[Aru]

Disagree. You should finish what you started. Or else thousands of lives were lost in vain.

[Enemy of the State]

Disagree. You should finish what you started. Or else thousands of lives were lost in vain.

Even if it costs more lives?

Pull out now.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Even if it costs more lives?

Pull out now.

I wonder what would have happened if this had been Churchill's opinion after the Battle of Dunkirk.

[Enemy of the State]

I wonder what would have happened if this had been Churchill's opinion after the Battle of Dunkirk.

You're comparing the Taliban to Nazi Germany? Are you serious? The Taliban pose no real threat to us.

Al Qaeda only exists because we give them cause. It's incredibly stupid to believe muslims became radicalized because they hate our "freedoms". No, they're sick of western meddling. The occasional bombing doesn't help either.

[DisgruntledGoat]

You're comparing the Taliban to Nazi Germany? Are you serious? The Taliban pose no real threat to us.

Al Qaeda only exists because we give them cause. It's incredibly stupid to believe muslims became radicalized because they hate our "freedoms". No, they're sick of western meddling. The occasional bombing doesn't help either.

*Sigh* sure throw out stereotypes, did I mention freedoms, threats to us etc etc. No I didn't. I'm not comparing anyone to Nazi Germany either. The very next sentence "pose no real threat to us" is exactly the point I am countering. Just because someone is not a threat directly to us (by the way who is us, there are a fair number of nations in Afghanistan) doesn't mean we should pick up and leave. Fighting Hitler, at the beginning was about protecting others. That was my point. After Dunkirk England could have said "Well that really smarted lets make peace. Hitler can have France" That was an option and Hitler wanted it. If England had taken it, who would have liberated France? Belgium? The Netherlands? etc.

Afghanistan is a just war, irregardless of the threat presented to our nation. We have the capability to help those in need. Those in our military understand the risk they face when the VOLUNTEERED. What is the point of a military if we are unwilling to us it and unwilling to accept the lives lost to our service men and women.

[Barry Goldwater]

So why don’t we just up sticks and leave them to get on with it. We give up nation building.
We drop Karzai in the because he’s corrupt and he was never a good ally.
We let them do whatever they like to each other.
Blow up ancient Buddhist monuments to their little hearts’ content ... whatever they want to do.

We monitor the situation for any Al Qaeda involvement and bomb anyone who looks like they are AQ.
This saves us wads of cash and hundreds of soldiers’ lives.
Obama can blame the whole thing on Bush.
Everybody wins except a few Afghans and they keep taking money to blow up our guys – so stuff ‘em.

Agree / Disagree?

Disagree, it would allow for the 'Ban to reimpose their extremely brutal theocratic regime and create a safe base for al-Qaeda and friends, from which they can plan future 9/11-level terrorist attacks against the West (which they will now hate more than ever, if that's even possible). Also, it will make us look like cowards, which is obviously not a good thing.

You're comparing the Taliban to Nazi Germany? Are you serious? The Taliban pose no real threat to us.

That's actually a perfectly fine comparison, the Taliban are basically less efficient Afghan Nazis with religion as the primary driving force instead of 'ITS THE JOOS'.

And 'not a threat'? Once they get back in charge they'll be more than happy to let al-Qaeda (ya know, THEIR BIGGEST ALLY) set up shop in A-stan and execute 9/11-level attacks again.

Al Qaeda only exists because we give them cause. It's incredibly stupid to believe muslims became radicalized because they hate our "freedoms". No, they're sick of western meddling. The occasional bombing doesn't help either.

Uh, not entirely. While yes, US foreign policy has unfortunately helped spawn these rat bastards and their various buddies, they are also ideologically driven by Qutbism, which calls for violent jihad to spread their particularly warped view of Islam.

And retreating wouldn't make them 'hate us less', WTF is this ? If anything it would encourage them, they already hate us plenty and would see us as cowards too.

[Axeman]

I wonder what would have happened if this had been Churchill's opinion after the Battle of Dunkirk.

Let me know when the war in Afghanistan becomes a desperate battle of defense.

[Heinz Guderian]

I wonder what would have happened if this had been Churchill's opinion after the Battle of Dunkirk.

We'd still have an empire, America wouldnt dominate the oil producing Middle East, no Israeli-Palestinian conflict, no Iron Curtain, no Kashmir conflict, millions and millions of lives saved all across Asia and Africa. Good times in Britain.

[wilpuri]

I wonder what would have happened if this had been Churchill's opinion after the Battle of Dunkirk.

I wonder if there has ever been an event post-1945 that didn't get compared to events of WW II.

[General Nuisance esq]

I wonder if there has ever been an event post-1945 that didn't get compared to events of WW II.

Would you have expressed that opinion if Hitler had invaded the UK ?

[RomanSoldier9001]

Disagree. You should finish what you started. Or else thousands of lives were lost in vain.

That work on Vietnam alrigh...

[Tacitursa]

You should finish what you started

The war on terror will only ever finish when every muslim gets wiped out.

Im sure we'll take out this generation of terroists, but in 15-20 years time there will be another generation that hates the west even more. Invading afghanistan was never going to prevent another 9/11 from happening, If anything it greatly increased the chance of it happening again.

We shouldnt even be in the middle east, The islamic countries should be dealing with it. They dont give a tho, I bet every muslim in the middle east smiled when america and london got hit.

I think we should just wipe them all out tbh.

[Armenum]

The war on terror will only ever finish when every muslim gets wiped out.

Im sure we'll take out this generation of terroists, but in 15-20 years time there will be another generation that hates the west even more. Invading afghanistan was never going to prevent another 9/11 from happening, If anything it greatly increased the chance of it happening again.

We shouldnt even be in the middle east, The islamic countries should be dealing with it. They dont give a tho, I bet every muslim in the middle east smiled when america and london got hit.

I think we should just wipe them all out tbh.

Another problem is that Muslims in middle east are growing up in a very anti-West environment, in essence being brainwashed from their birth and on. Why is this? Well the religion is one major factor, if not THE factor, but again the prevalence and emphasis on the Islam religion makes it easy to create such a hostile anti-West sentiment. No we can't wipe them out nor we can wipe out their religion. Attacking them only makes them angrier, so what do we do?

Well, I think the best approach is cultural mending (and lots of it). It won't solve all the problems, but in my opinion it's the most peaceful and efficient approach to a lasting and peaceful future. There will still be violence, we can't wipe that out, but maybe with cultural education and mending, less people will be brainwashed, and people will be able to think for themselves before blowing themselves up or abusing Western structures. I just don't see another viable way. Education is the bottom line. How do we serve that education and mending? Well that's a whole other obstacle, but I believe it can be eventually achieved.

[Space Wolves]

The war on terror will only ever finish when every muslim gets wiped out.



I think we should just wipe them all out tbh.

Yea.....whats the harm?...

[Babur]

The war on terror will only ever finish when every muslim gets wiped out.

I think we should just wipe them all out tbh.

so you want to wipe out 1.57 billion people?

[hellheaven1987]

so you want to wipe out 1.57 billion people?

For the future of Earth, why not??

I suggest wipe up 90% of total population on Earth today.

[Barry Goldwater]

That work on Vietnam alrigh...

Vietnam and Afghanistan are incomparable. For one, the Taliban aren't being supplied by another power. For another, they don't have the support of the population. Thirdly, they don't have a coast.

Yeah...I can go on and on.

[RO Citizen]

So you say to retreat the forces and just bomb (massacre) the population. Very nice, really. You'll lose "moar" money, support, popularity, get more enemies, and you'll also lose the war.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Because we have a moral obligation to the people of Afghanistan at this point. While I'm sure you'll say there are those among the population that don't want peace and security, there are more than enough that do. And it is to them, and their children that we should finish what we started. Its not about nation building as it is to clean up a mess we created. Its irrelevant that the country was in a mess before, the mess its in now is partially our fault and we need to stick it out until some sort of resolution can be reached.