Elven Factions Re-Development

[koultouras]

actually there is a wide combination of mixing weapons
These are the ones that come easily
to my mind cause they're the ones that i had to do for projects i m involved
1) Troa hillmen pikemen(rhudhaur)
javs 1ary and pikes secondary
2)frome mwardens
bow 1ary and glaive 2ary(ok wielded like 2h sword, but pike is also possible, ijust happen to like that kind of wielding)
3)TGC norman sargeants
2h axe primary and sword 2ary +shield
(actually this combination is quite interesting cause it gives u the chance to choose weapon the very moment of battle)
4)Frome O.Chosen
1ary javs and spear 2ary
(instead of javs there could be anything u like ofc but with some limitations)
and many many more.....
so its just a matter of taste, bones assignment....and/or lore accuracy, to have various weapon combos!

[delra]

Oops. I assumed you're going to reskin Eldar and Sindar units too. That's what my post about too much gold was about.

[Deedlit]

Female units within the ranks of males? HOLY MOLY!! right that's it. Deedlit officaly endorces this thread.

[Vaul]

May we all venerate this glorious step towards anime elves

[Beorn]

I found this concept in teh web; hope it helps

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[delra]

But why making them cannon fodder infantry with boobies? How about archery instead of infantry?

[Louis Lux]

The bow is drawn so it looks smaller, it won't be a longbow though.

[Isildur's Heir]

This sounds really interesting Louis as Elves are my favourite race in Middle Earth and could do with a little touch up. Just a quick question though, will this be released as a submod or in an official update?

[Erutaron]

It is very probable that female elves were involved in the fighting, at least in my own personal opinion.

I am 100% for this.

[Louis Lux]

About the high elven name, there is not really a good accurate name for them, high elves is the best I can think of.

About Finwe, I think you guys are confusing the rule with the exception

Elves marry freely and for love early in life. Monogamy is practiced and adultery is unthinkable; they marry only once (Finwë, first High King of the Noldor, was an exception, as he remarried after his first wife died).

And before you bash wikipedia, I have checked other sources and they all check out.

[alreadyded]

I don't see how a man and woman are supposed to look all that different when wearing the same loose clothes and/or armor. Are they going to wear 'female' tight fitting clothes and/or armor? I also don't recall any women ever taking part in any battles in any of Tolkien's work, is there a reference anywhere other than Eowyn?

Changing the models to look like sesy women is easy peasy, so I don't mind doing it even though I don't completely see the point. I need to know what unique weapons and armor you are interested in making though, and some reference pics for the armor unless you want me to whip something up myself. Take your time though, I am in no rush.

I'm sure Elves remarried, not just Finwe. Some even had more than one wife at a time, and children from each. If your wife dies you are not going to want to have sex with yourself for eternity! And I'm sure they frown upon relations out of wedlock. Though it is kind of weird that they only have a few kids early on and then stop for the rest of their lives.

[Shocked]

I cannot wait for this to be released I hope it is put into RR/RC as well xD

[alreadyded]

The Sindar under Cirdan never lived in Doriath, they always dwelt in Lindon since coming from the East. The Elves of Doriath were not considered 'high' Elves anyway, but they were as skillful. Tolkien himself (and his kid) refers to Cirdan and his people as Sindar, so how is High Elves "correct"?

[Varjon]

The Sindar under Cirdan never lived in Doriath, they always dwelt in Lindon since coming from the East. The Elves of Doriath were not considered 'high' Elves anyway, but they were as skillful. Tolkien himself (and his kid) refers to Cirdan and his people as Sindar, so how is High Elves "correct"?

You are right but can you think of better name than High Elves for those Elves who lived in Lindon and Rivendell? After all they all weren't Sindar, there were still many Noldor and even more of those who had mixed heritage of both Noldor and Sindar so you can't just call them Sindar Elves.

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

You are right but can you think of better name than High Elves for those Elves who lived in Lindon and Rivendell? After all they all weren't Sindar, there were still many Noldor and even more of those who had mixed heritage of both Noldor and Sindar so you can't just call them Sindar Elves.

They certainly weren't all Sindar, but there were far more Sindar around at the end of the Third Age than there were High Elves - most of the Noldor who remained after the War of Wrath had left by the time Cirdan became the leader of the elves in Lindon.

Another possibility would be to name them the "Eldar". The name Eldar, after all, referred to all the elves who left for Valinor, regardless of whether or not they completed their journey - a name which therefore refers to the Sindar and Nandor as well as the Calaquendi.

[Varjon]

They certainly weren't all Sindar, but there were far more Sindar around at the end of the Third Age than there were High Elves - most of the Noldor who remained after the War of Wrath had left by the time Cirdan became the leader of the elves in Lindon.

Another possibility would be to name them the "Eldar". The name Eldar, after all, referred to all the elves who left for Valinor, regardless of whether or not they completed their journey - a name which therefore refers to the Sindar and Nandor as well as the Calaquendi.

But the problem is that Silvan Elves are also Eldar so we can't name another of them Eldar.

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

But the problem is that Silvan Elves are also Eldar so we can't name another of them Eldar.

There were Silvan elves living in Lindon, too, alongside the Sindar and Noldor. For me, either "Eldar" or "Sindar" would be preferable, because one name refers to all the inhabitants of Lindon and Rivendell, while the second refers to the majority. The name "High Elves", on the other hand, refers to a minority.

[Moonflower]

Basic Units - Silvan Elves

-Silvan archer (bow and sword)-->love that you are finally making them look like "Haldir and his pals"
-Silvan spearmen (spear and shield) use same concept, more or less, as above
-Silvan wardens (throwing spears and shield) --> perhaps a few throwing spears before charging with swords! Then I would approve.

Local Units (AOR)

-Mirkwood Rangers (bow and sword)-->perhaps dual swords? (if not then it's fine as is)
-Lorien Sentinel (bow and pole arm) ---> an armored, more heavily garbed version of the silvan archer with a sword would be much more preferable! Name suggestions: Sentinels of the Wood/ Galadhrim Sentinels

Heavy Silvan Units

(no changes)--> please, for the love of baby Jesus, make some aesthetic altercations, maybe make them region specific: lorien elite archers--Galadhrim perhaps, etc--thus splitting the heavy units THUS creating a larger roster, and new names. I push Galadhrim because the Two Towers film gave us an AMAZING concept to work with... and it has yet to be fully realized in TATW

Elite units

-Elvenking Warriors (dual swords)--> name suggestion: Silvan Swordsingers/ Silvan Bladedancers
-Horse archers (bow and sword) meh.---> perhaps make them aor specific so you can attach them to a settlement/region thus making a better name, for example Riders of Eryn Lasgalen. etc. etc.

Oh and thanks for answering my prayers Louis!

[Shocked]

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-Silvan wardens (throwing spears and shield) --> perhaps a few throwing spears before charging with swords! Then I would approve.

That is most likely what he meant.

-Mirkwood Rangers (bow and sword)-->perhaps dual swords? (if not then it's fine as is)
-Lorien Sentinel (bow and pole arm) ---> an armored, more heavily garbed version of the silvan archer with a sword would be much more preferable! Name suggestions: Sentinels of the Wood/ Galadhrim Sentinels

I like the sword and pole arm ideas..

(no changes)--> please, for the love of baby Jesus, make some aesthetic altercations, maybe make them region specific: lorien elite archers--Galadhrim perhaps, etc--thus splitting the heavy units THUS creating a larger roster, and new names. I push Galadhrim because the Two Towers film gave us an AMAZING concept to work with... and it has yet to be fully realized in TATW

I like the heavy units as they are

EDIT: 900th post!

[athanaric]

-Silvan archer (bow and sword)-->love that you are finally making them look like "Haldir and his pals"
-Silvan spearmen (spear and shield) use same concept, more or less, as above
-Silvan wardens (throwing spears and shield) --> perhaps a few throwing spears before charging with swords! Then I would approve.


-Mirkwood Rangers (bow and sword)-->perhaps dual swords? (if not then it's fine as is)
-Lorien Sentinel (bow and pole arm) ---> an armored, more heavily garbed version of the silvan archer with a sword would be much more preferable! Name suggestions: Sentinels of the Wood/ Galadhrim Sentinels

Just why are you so obsessed with goddamn swords? I think his concepts are perfectly fine with polearms and all that. You know, an army of only swordsmen and archers will look pretty stupid if the opponent starts fielding a lot of heavily armoured knights. Which, incidentally, is the favourite strategy of Rhûn and Rohan.
Furthermore, do you think that in a woodland faction everybody would run around with a sword or even two? Why not three, while we're at it? Or chainswords?? Maybe, just maybe, they have limited iron supply if they all live in a fancy wood without major iron mines? Makes far more sense to use spears, axes, and polearms - which are easier to create anyway. Spears are just as Elvish as swords are. The sword fetish among fans arises only from a remark by Tolkien that the sword was the preferred weapon among the Noldor, whereas the Vanyar preferred spears, and the Sindar bows. That doesn't mean each race uses one weapon exclusively. Humans have always preferred the spear (it's the most common weapoon), and look at our weapons arsenal today.

-Horse archers (bow and sword) meh.---> perhaps make them aor specific so you can attach them to a settlement/region thus making a better name, for example Riders of Eryn Lasgalen. etc. etc.

Horse Archers make perfect sense, though they're only mentioned for the High Elves. Them being specific to some regions is not a bad idea though.