Elven Factions Re-Development

[Pyrosh]

YES YES YES!!!!!, this is thes design, this is the thing, the idea that you can name Bodyguards, only one thing, you can add a layer

[Ellin Athinaios]

Your design is great (you have a good hand, by the way), but perhaps a bit too much... Personally I would prefer mail, as in the books.

[Vaul]

Your design is great (you have a good hand, by the way), but perhaps a bit too much... Personally I would prefer mail, as in the books.

No books please, lest we have legions of viking-like pointy-eared berserkers! I much prefer the look in your avatar than in your mind

Louis, your designs are awesome, let your megalomania fly free the dogmatic lore be damned to textual media!

[Everto]

This design Looks very promising Louis Lux. Is the armor going to be predominantley Golden? Or also silver? Either way, I'm excited.
On a side note, would you take into consideration using any of these helmet designs?

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[Louis Lux]

This design Looks very promising Louis Lux. Is the armor going to be predominantley Golden? Or also silver? Either way, I'm excited.
On a side note, would you take into consideration using any of these helmet designs?

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The color scheme I will follow is brown armor for basic troops (leather), golden armor for mid tier (plate), and silver armor for elite (plate and mail). So this unit will be all silver with probably some golden details.

My helmet design will be close to the second one and mithlond nobles uses a design close to the first one. I like these helmets and there is a possibility I'll use them as variations. The feathers don't fit with the overall concept of the elves made by weta.

[Louis Lux]

A few pages back:

The color scheme I will follow is brown armor for basic troops (leather), golden armor for mid tier (plate), and silver armor for elite (plate and mail). So this unit will be all silver with probably some golden details.

I will use Razor's eldar units that are more accurate and bilwit's silvan textures. But I will make some small changes to them.

The bodyguard horse armor will look closer to this one:

[Beregond]

can't get in what way mail is worse than plate

[Ayleid]

can't get in what way mail is worse than plate

Isn't it lore-wise that Elves use axes as well as swords? But if I remember, axes were dropped in favour of getting a more 'elegent' feel. IMO, plate and mail used in accordance with each other is far better than just mail.

[Ellin Athinaios]

Isn't it lore-wise that Elves use axes as well as swords? But if I remember, axes were dropped in favour of getting a more 'elegent' feel.

Have you tried FRoME? You'll find that axes can be quite elegant too.

IMO, plate and mail used in accordance with each other is far better than just mail.

Opinions are great, but lore is better.

[Beorn]

@Vaul, if it hadn't been lore, we wouldn't be sitting here now and posting about this mod and/or fantasy world

Just use your brain a bit before posting

[Vaul]

@Vaul, if it hadn't been lore, we wouldn't be sitting here now and posting about this mod and/or fantasy world

Just use your brain a bit before posting

Obviously I haven't said that all lore should be canned... You really should put my comment in context if you have any ambition to get my meaning, which I doubt I said that strict dogmatic lore isn't something that would benefit either this mod or Louis' project.

Also, if we're to discuss the basic visual style of this mod, then this is not the place is it? The place would be a new thread with a name like "why is the visual style of this mod based on the movies and not on strict lore?"

The answer is again obvious - the movie itself is an equal source of lore for this mod.

Keep up the good work Louis, let the lore inquisitors use their "brains"

[Beorn]

@Vaul, in the same way u have your "right" to say your opinion here, we have our "right" too

[Pyrosh]

The helmets in the pictures are the other design that Wetta workshop has for the elves of the last alliance, and there are some pictures with battles scenes with this design.

[Louis Lux]

All of you misunderstood Vaul's post. He is pointing out that the text cannot be as visually rich as the designs and illustrations of countless artists. Weta, John Howe and Alan Lee gave life to tolkien's world in a visually stunning and richly designed way and I'm not about to throw that in the garbage to start over based on the restricted view of some. Vaul was not trying to offend Tolkien's writing and you shouldn't take what he wrote at face value.

Personally I found Ellin Athinaios post very inconsiderate and of no use to what I'm trying to achieve here, so I chose to ignore it.

[Ellin Athinaios]

Personally I found Ellin Athinaios post very inconsiderate and of no use to what I'm trying to achieve here, so I chose to ignore it.

So it was very inconsiderate of me to say my lore-based opinion (and praise your drawing abilities)?

Here's what I think. It doesn't matter how richly certain artists have imagined Tolkien's world; there are very specific and rich details mentioned in the books that a mod about Tolkien's world would do well to follow, in order to be "realistic" - in the same way that a mod about ancient Greece or Medieval Europe would try to be as detailed and realistic as possible based on history and archaeological sources.

But of course you can do whatever you want with your mod.

[Louis Lux]

So it was very inconsiderate of me to say my lore-based opinion (and praise your drawing abilities)?

I'm presenting my view as a designer and one that resonates with all the designer work done on middle-earth and the one presented in this mod. If you don't take that into consideration, then you are being inconsiderate. You can have your views on the matter but I really don't have any use for them unless we are on the same page.

[AmiR TimuR]

what i still didnt get, will you keep old units or they will all be removed??

[Odenathus]

Speaking as a historian to be, history is a lot of guessing too, it's combining the coïncidence survals of the ages with the writings that were in most cases designed for people of later generations to be read and has a certain agenda. Like when Ceaser writes his "De Bello Gallico" he writes it in 3rd person to make it seem more like an eyewithness report in stead of his own version. It's a scientific guess, just like most of Third age is a guess of what Tolkin had for views in his head.
So it's not much use to discuss about it, just read the books and imagine it, or look at someone else who did the same thing.

Odenat

[Jean=A=Luc]

In this context 'inconsiderate' usually means 'rude' (rather than purely "having failed to consider something") which Ellin wasn't so you shouldn't be so hard on him.

In matters of aesthetics every opinion is equally valid though it goes without saying that, as the author, in the end you'll simply follow your own preference.

[Louis Lux]

Yes, I meant ill-advised, but it was a bit rude too because of it. It's like a teacher explaining something for 2 hours and then a student makes a fundamental question on the subject in the end.

And it's not really a matter of aesthetics, it's about the overall concept of the mod, a group of professionals made an interpretation on Tolkien's work to make it more appealing, and it's being followed in this mod (crossbows, plate armor, etc...). If someone wants to strictly follow what is in the book than this is the wrong mod for them.

The comment made on the spikes and the similarity with the witch kings's armor design was an actual aesthetic concern that I was able to deal with.