Arnor vs Gondor

[Megas Ycarus]

Who is better ? And who is cooler ? Post your opinions here.

EDIT: If you think so, go here.

[Inarus]

Gondor endures, Gondor wins.

[Stabbyman]

gondor. more of them have beards./

[Megas Ycarus]

Well, i think Arnor is way more cooler and "Númenorian" then Gondor.

[Inarus]

Well, i think Arnor is way more cooler and "Númenorian" then Gondor.

That would be because Arnor is dead and Gondor has existed too long to survive breeding solely with the True Blooded Númenorian descendants. Of course if they had not breeded with impure blood then every Gondorian would probably be related to each other

[Megas Ycarus]

That would be because Arnor is dead and Gondor has existed too long to survive breeding solely with the True Blooded Númenorian descendants. Of course if they had not breeded with impure blood then every Gondorian would probably be related to each other

Maybe yes. Maybe no. Since the death of Isildur, the entire blood line of the kings of Gondor had been broken. That means, most of the Gondor kings ARE of impure blood, while Eriador\Arnor kings were of pure blood.

[Shocked]

That would be because Arnor is dead and Gondor has existed too long to survive breeding solely with the True Blooded Númenorian descendants. Of course if they had not breeded with impure blood then every Gondorian would probably be related to each other

Numenorean blood would have survived for longer in Gondor if it was not for the civil war

[Maiden_Ante]

That would be because Arnor is dead and Gondor has existed too long to survive breeding solely with the True Blooded Númenorian descendants. Of course if they had not breeded with impure blood then every Gondorian would probably be related to each other

They probably ARE related to each other, considering the limited amount of people in Middle-Earth. Then again, Aragorn is a distant descendant of Elrond's brother, making him like what, the 62nd "grand-cousin" to Arwen? That's an eery thought.

[Agamaran]

They probably ARE related to each other, considering the limited amount of people in Middle-Earth. Then again, Aragorn is a distant descendant of Elrond's brother, making him like what, the 62nd "grand-cousin" to Arwen? That's an eery thought.

This is almost like saying you shouldn't date any woman because they are a distant relative to you some thousands of years back.

Aragorn is separated from Arwen by about (as you said) 60 or so generations. By this logic as well Elrond may even be the great uncle of a great number of Dunedain (at least to those with a direct line to Elros, as men of the Edain also came with Elros).

[Maiden_Ante]

This is almost like saying you shouldn't date any woman because they are a distant relative to you some thousands of years back.

Aragorn is separated from Arwen by about (as you said) 60 or so generations. By this logic as well Elrond may even be the great uncle of a great number of Dunedain (at least to those with a direct line to Elros, as men of the Edain also came with Elros).

Eh yeah, I'm not even sure it needs commenting. I was joking.

Anyhow, OT: As someone said, Arnor is not lore-correct in this time period, though I do think that Arnor is kind of cooler as a concept than Gondor - just because it's something you don't see in the movies.

[Inarus]

Hmm good point, but how many of that line survived, oh yes! One, Aragorn!!!

[The Edain]

Tough to choose, severaal factors come into play here. Factors such as:

Gondor:
-Survived longer, but was reduced to a shadow of it's former strength until King Elessar came to the throne.
-Although it had the resources to hold back mordor, the leadership wasn't there to do it well enough.

Arnor:
- Fractures into 3 warring kingdoms until all were devastated beyond re-building by the Witch-King.
- Maintained more of the Dunedain blood line through out it's history, even after fracturing and then disolving completely.

Both maintained high orders of grandure, but both also dimmed, Arnor more so. Gondor has more Military might however. Arnor was the purist example of the Dunedain bloodline even after it's destruction. Arnor also held the High-King throne for both Dunedain kingdoms. it's hard to choose.

[Inarus]

Gondor would have been much stronger had not Boromir died, as well as his mother. Denethor overreacted (well she was going to die one day)

[Megas Ycarus]

Denethor was an crazy old king for trying to burn Faramir alive. Or should i say STEWARD ?

[Inarus]

Denethor was an crazy old king for trying to burn Faramir alive. Or should i say STEWARD ?

Only because his wife and son died, had they lived longer, Gondor would have been much stronger.

And hell, Gondor is better for standing up against Mordor for so long.

[AgentGB]

Gondor

[Megas Ycarus]

If you compare gondor units with Arnor ones with the AUM mod, thn we have no doubts that the Hollow Steel Marksmen are way much better that the gondor archers

[Beregond]

If you compare gondor units with Arnor ones with the AUM mod, thn we have no doubts that the Hollow Steel Marksmen are way much better that the gondor archers

except for the fact that Hollow Steel technology was lost, and these units are pure fan-fiction and lore-rape

[AgentGB]

yeah... thats true... but im Gondor fan boy (tbh dude i like erm both)

[Megas Ycarus]

Let me see: if gondor was an real "perfect empire", why they had alot of civil wars ?