OK how are you supposed to do this

Ok gave up on this when 1st bought...dloaded the patches recently, decent impovement.
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Question...ok i nuked Paris twice (raising all buildings - as English btw), 3rd time, ok, this time I kept it, And I get THREE full HARD stacks generate as rebels...I mean comeone..is this stupid or what?

I can't possibly defaet 3 full stacks with one army ...so whats the deal?

Htf u possibly take Paris as GB?

I think they're angry that you razed it twice, and thus spawning more rebels.

I can't possibly defaet 3 full stacks with one army ...so whats the deal?

The deal would be to bring more than one stack with you.

Originally Posted by klesh

I think they're angry that you razed it twice, and thus spawning more rebels.



The deal would be to bring more than one stack with you.

Yeah, I spent 18 hrs real time hrs yesterday, playing historically,,,i.e. it was 1808 (Sep) B4 Wellington took Madrid...then France was basically impossible *Nap with about 7 stacks"..(that all regen in a few turns from almost dead)

No my questuin is still, is there any logical way of taking cap cities (e.g. Paris) that will reslult in -11,-13 even when taken peaxefully...e.g. there seems NO WAY of taking the afforementionrd and occupying them oeacefully.

Originally Posted by Drewski

No my questuin is still, is there any logical way of taking cap cities (e.g. Paris) that will reslult in -11,-13 even when taken peaxefully...e.g. there seems NO WAY of taking the afforementionrd and occupying them oeacefully.

Personal experience: I send in Gentlemen first (Prior to siege), and let no spies/assassins sabotage; I capture surrounding territories (letting them get used to my happy face in the area); have a full stack of garrison troops (no generals/arty/nothing without a garrison bonus) ready to jump on the city as soon as I capture it (Important note: Do not let your enemy starve itself out due to besieging! You lose a turn of building and garrisoning when that happens...attack and take the city before this happens.); rebuild everything that turn...(Note: If it takes more than one turn to rebuild, it is likely going to cause a rebellion.).

Level anything that causes clamour for reform and build something worthwhile...a brothel is a very good idea. Seriously, level them. Tax rate to 0% immediately. Hope for the best, expect the worst. Did I mention it has worked for me on smaller capitals, but for Paris I only remember the three full stacks of elites that keep showing up...I could be dis-remembering.

Originally Posted by BlackMailedAgain

Level anything that causes clamour for reform

Why again?

Originally Posted by Bowden

Why again?

Because clamour for reform directly translates into civil unrest.

Originally Posted by Drewski

I can't possibly defaet [sic] 3 full stacks with one army ...so whats the deal?

Htf u possibly take Paris as GB?

In your case, I have to admit, you took it, and now the French are apparently going to "give it to you."

It's not just that you are GB, they pretty much do this too everyone. Capital cities tend to be a pain to keep because of the unreasonably nasty rebellion that almost always takes place.

You can ship a bunch of Gentlemen to Paris (before you capture it!) and have a full stack of troops with garrison bonuses to help mitigate the problem. Also razing a city gets them more pissed, so I might suggest a peaceful capture and perhaps level the universities and such. Also, immediately rebuild the damaged city and place your garrison troops on the city the same turn as it is captured. Then maybe....

Originally Posted by BlackMailedAgain

In your case, I have to admit, you took it, and now the French are apparently going to "give it to you."

It's not just that you are GB, they pretty much do this too everyone. Capital cities tend to be a pain to keep because of the unreasonably nasty rebellion that almost always takes place.

You can ship a bunch of Gentlemen to Paris (before you capture it!) and have a full stack of troops with garrison bonuses to help mitigate the problem. Also razing a city gets them more pissed, so I might suggest a peaceful capture and perhaps level the universities and such. Also, immediately rebuild the damaged city and place your garrison troops on the city the same turn as it is captured. Then maybe....

Why level the universities ? Does that help ?
I recall Clamour.for.Reform being what riled the Viennese the most and kept them brawling for over 24 turns.

Originally Posted by Ulysses

Why level the universities ? Does that help ?
I recall Clamour.for.Reform being what riled the Viennese the most and kept them brawling for over 24 turns.

Well, I burn them because I dislike intellectual snobs. However, destroying the universities does slow down dissent and that clamour for reform.

Originally Posted by BlackMailedAgain

Well, I burn them because I dislike intellectual snobs. However, destroying the universities does slow down dissent and that clamour for reform.

Yes, burn down the universities and replace them with brothals, then everyone is happy. Well, everyone except the college professors who are now forced to turn tricks....

Yes, old chap. What has been said above is true, do not raid capitals, it brings with it alot of money but also alot of dissent. Those ungrateful sinners!
But, if you really have your hear set upon it, make sure you bring very large amounts of soldiers with you to steam unrest and to hold of the rebels for the time being.
Generally, when taking over France, I would loot all or some(depending on how strapped for cash I was) cities that were not the capital, and thus gaining money but also avoiding rebellions by heavy garrison and exemption of taxes if I was in a hurry. But sir, how desperate were you? I mean, you don't need all the money in the world now do you?
In general, I only raid cities when I am quite poor.
Your humble servant, Corporal Lyons.

Moved to Gameplay and Strategy Discussion.

Sell the city to an enemy for 1 coin then retake it... I don't do that because it ruins the fun but it works.

Originally Posted by RangerGxi

Sell the city to an enemy for 1 coin then retake it... I don't do that because it ruins the fun but it works.

No it doesn't.
Other factions won't take regions that rebel like that even as a gift.

I think the number of rebels depends on the region wealth, so if you burn down all economic town improvements and city buildings, the rebel army will be quite weak.
Garrison the capital with all militia (policing bonus) and keep a stack or two of combat troops near.

Originally Posted by daniu

No it doesn't.
Other factions won't take regions that rebel like that even as a gift.

I think the number of rebels depends on the region wealth, so if you burn down all economic town improvements and city buildings, the rebel army will be quite weak.
Garrison the capital with all militia (policing bonus) and keep a stack or two of combat troops near.

Give it before they rebel. It solves the problem (and allow you to loot the city several times).

Originally Posted by Prince Francesca

Give it before they rebel. It solves the problem (and allow you to loot the city several times).

*sigh*
They won't take a region with a public happiness of -20 before the rebels appear either.

What is needed is a nice guillotine party. If we had the option of cutting off the instigators' heads and placing them on display, it might get a good deal more peaceful.

Originally Posted by daniu

*sigh*
They won't take a region with a public happiness of -20 before the rebels appear either.

They would. I've tried that in H/H by giving the razed territory +1 gold and everybody accepts it.

In my experience, usually after retaking Austria from the French on behalf of the Austrians, they won't even take back their own capital except maybe for free after you've repaired it, so I don't know how you'd convince someone to take a dangerous city off your hands.

Forgot about that you could turn taxation off for a region, that and a full stack of Fencibles makes taking Paris quite doable (in my 2nd campaign game)....