Excellent morale

[Wittman]

Whats up whit excellent morale trait?Almost every single unit has that,except archers and slingers.??

[Jaytee]

Battles that are obviously won take an age to wrap up. I have had the last remnants of the enemy army surrounded and it takes a long long time for them to finally break. At times it gets tedious waiting.

[florin80]

The game shows the excellent morale tag from a certain - fixed - level up. The same with the poor morale etc. Many mods raise the morale of all units for longer battles and other considerations and thus get into the area where the game identifies the morale as "excellent" and displays it as such, but of course, there is a difference between the morale stats of the different units. In relation to each other they should be balanced, even though the morale levels start from a higher base than in vanilla.

[Dodge]

Battles that are obviously won take an age to wrap up. I have had the last remnants of the enemy army surrounded and it takes a long long time for them to finally break. At times it gets tedious waiting.

It's all about timing charges, javelins, arrows, killing generals etc and concentrating on getting one unit to rout, the rest will usually follow in a blind panic.

That said, I had a bridge battle where both sides units were exausted and it took absolutely ages, with very little killing being done.

[Brusilov]

Battles that are obviously won take an age to wrap up. I have had the last remnants of the enemy army surrounded and it takes a long long time for them to finally break. At times it gets tedious waiting.

Just crank up the battle speed, surely?

If you are using the standard UI there will be a button on the UI for that. If you are playing with 'minimal UI' you will have had to set up a control key through the options menu as there is no button for that in the UI.

[Jaytee]

Just crank up the battle speed, surely?

If you are using the standard UI there will be a button on the UI for that. If you are playing with 'minimal UI' you will have had to set up a control key through the options menu as there is no button for that in the UI.

Yeah, I did have the battle sped up. I have been playing TW games since Shogun was released so I know where it is.

I have got two Roman campaigns on two different computers on the go and in both battles against Hannibal I killed him and it took a while for his troops to start routing and even then they came back for more many times. The enemy units still surrounded took forever to break, if I checked closely there was hardly any killing going on, watching their unit number slowly drop one or two people every now and then. They eventually cracked but for an army that is leaderless and obviously beaten I expect an average enemy unit to give up the fight.

Also, there is a problem caused by this morale boost regarding battle time limits. I was fighting in Carthage the enemy had 18 men left and I had about a 1000 men in the city square fighting these 18 men. The game didn't recognise me as being in control of the city square (Come to think of it, it hasn't for any of my other sieges.) and the time ran out because these 18 people wouldn't die or run, so I was declared the loser! My unit had no close by navy fleet so my stack vanished and the family member in charge was declared dead in battle...I quit that campaign right there and then because it was rediculous.

[Wittman]

Battles that are obviously won take an age to wrap up. I have had the last remnants of the enemy army surrounded and it takes a long long time for them to finally break. At times it gets tedious waiting.

Exactly,5 minutes ago i fought a battle Sparta vs Free Greeks,i had a elite army of spartan hoplites,archers,and some merc cavalry and the greeks had some levy phalanx and light hoplites,guess what?those miserable peasants fought to the last man....

[Octavius-Augustus]

Maybe they're just not scared anymore! Seriously, we all wanted something challenging.. Units that break too early are not fun at all! I think every single unit's morale has been increased, hence the 'Excellent morale' trait. The elites should still have even 'more excellent' morale than, let's say levies. Personally, I like the current status of the morale stats.

[Ian Altano]

I know they altered it to make battles last longer, but I have to say it starts to feel a little over the top. Let me explain:

I played a battle today where I used up almost all the time in the little hourglass, and that was because routing units kept coming back for more. Now this is ok (it's great even), but these units were down to 5 men and they were still coming back!
Also, I've had troops stuck fighting those little 5-men units for an astonishing amount of time. They just fight, but they just won't rout or die (quickly enough).

That's actually my biggest (and pretty much only) gripe with RSII: battles take too long and units are 'too brave'/suicidal...

[sithlord447]

if they are surrounded they will fight to the death rather than be slaughterd, as soon as they start to fight to the death just back off i side of the surround and they will rout like normal

[Wittman]

No they werent surrounded,im just pointing out that its little strange for some units to have excellent morale trait when they obviosly arent elite force?

[Leonidas42]

I had the same problem with Sparta. my hoplites were superior to taxis (sp?) hoplites and yet somehow they manage to defeat me and I had a larger army? One on one it just doesn't seem realistic..its weird. And yes I even flanked, and that didn't help. This mod is very challenging, and I like it that way.

[Asterix]

I had the same problem with Sparta. my hoplites were superior to taxis (sp?) hoplites and yet somehow they manage to defeat me and I had a larger army? One on one it just doesn't seem realistic..its weird. And yes I even flanked, and that didn't help. This mod is very challenging, and I like it that way.

taxis? what do you mean?
yes i despise the morale of some units. especially the carthaginian Hannibal army
the main issue i have with RS2 is the difficulty of killing enemies. Fighting a carthaginian army, it took ages to kill 10 men. come on, polybians....
did your enemy have a good general? if not, then what about missiles, cavalry, etc.? the battle can change like *snap* that.

[Leonidas42]

taxis? what do you mean?
yes i despise the morale of some units. especially the carthaginian Hannibal army
the main issue i have with RS2 is the difficulty of killing enemies. Fighting a carthaginian army, it took ages to kill 10 men. come on, polybians....
did your enemy have a good general? if not, then what about missiles, cavalry, etc.? the battle can change like *snap* that.

Yeah bud, why don't you go look at the units and there is a hoplite unit called Taxeis hoplites. Gosh that's hilarious. idiot.

[Antonis]

I have to agree , some of the lesser units don't break , not because there fighting to the death , I understand the elite units wont and should not break but the basic units ? I had a situation were levy spearman were completely surrounded by 3 cohort , there general was dead and the fought till there was only 18 of them left (I play an huge units) seems a bit skewed IMHO ,I guess that's why RS 2 is epic

[Wittman]

I have to agree , some of the lesser units don't break , not because there fighting to the death , I understand the elite units wont and should not break but the basic units ? I had a situation were levy spearman were completely surrounded by 3 cohort , there general was dead and the fought till there was only 18 of them left (I play an huge units) seems a bit skewed IMHO ,I guess that's why RS 2 is epic

Almost exactly what i am facing in my campaign

[Kambe]

noticed something was strange there when one unit was holding was holding half my army

[Turkeys!]

I thankfully don't have to face that problem since I still have my Ptolemaic Forest Elephants and Ptolemies army

[tone]

The excellent morale thing is hardcoded. Obviously any unit with a morale more than 15 or something in vanilla would have been counted as excellent.

The same with "powerful charge" - most cavalry units have this because the charge values in RS2 are much higher

[Septimus]

Indeed, the morale seems abit over the top in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think the mod is great and I've been waiting for it to release for ages, however when one unit of millitia is being attacked from the front by 2 cohorts and charged in the rear by 1 unit of equites and only routing when they have 15-25 men, on large unit size, that's just silly.

Good job overall though, great mod.