CTDs - how to handle them?

[Brusilov]

There are some CTDs happening.

See post #5 by AutxLoGx(?) in a Macedon campaign using RTW. They've included a save game

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=386942

I loaded it up and can confirm the CTD. I happens in the Boii turn when Endovolico moves towards a forrest and hides (maybe).

Instant CTD with no error.


There are other CTYDs being reported - some with saves and others not. There is another one but using the RTW Alex exe. I'll try and look at that later on (I've had enough).

I think the best approach is to try and keep each CTD in it's own thread in the tech Support forum. It means that if one is resolved then we don't close off unresolved CTDs.

I guess the same with errors - there are people hijacking threads with different problems.


Is there anyway that I can get local moderator access in that sub-forum so I can split threads rather than report them?

I promise to be nice....

[Brusilov]

Another confirmed CTD in this thread (RTW Alex) this time - a Spartan campaign with the CTD happeing in the Roman turn. It appears to be when Marcus Fabius Maximus moves towards Singidun.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=386949

Movie of action prior to CTD
http://www.filefront.com/17266030/RomeTW-ALX 2010-09-05 19-55-21-20.7z

[swhunter]

Are they being told to save their games a turn now and then?
We also do know, that RTW is buggy at time.
but I'm not saying these problems cant be fixed.

[Brusilov]

I honestly don't know.

I presume the peple that played RS1 are aware of things like turning off autosave and not doing quicksaves. I doubt if the new players know this.

How many of the people have seen the 'good playing practices' guide that is in the RS1 forum (?) somewhere?

[sithlord447]

why didn't we just have auto save and stuff off by default?

[TTRouble]

Agree.. turning off autosave should be a default setting for all campaigns. Some ppl might not know which preference file to edit.

I just tried out that save and with BI its crashing with the Boii but using RTW its bugging out with Roman's turn right at the start of the next turn - again no error than the windows crashes:

Crash using BI:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Faulting application name: RomeTW-BI.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x00564544
Faulting module name: RomeTW-BI.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x00564544
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x001becb0
Faulting process id: 0xb94
Faulting application start time: 0x01cb4d502e36d66f
Faulting application path: C:\RS2_Beta\RS2_Public_Final\RomeTW-BI.exe
Faulting module path: C:\RS2_Beta\RS2_Public_Final\RomeTW-BI.exe
Report Id: 48321558-b944-11df-810b-00241d720a70

Crash using RTW vanilla:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Faulting application name: RomeTW.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x00564544
Faulting module name: RomeTW.exe, version: 1.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x00564544
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x001becd8
Faulting process id: 0xf70
Faulting application start time: 0x01cb4d513ea0b690
Faulting application path: C:\RS2_Beta\RS2_Public_Final\RomeTW.exe
Faulting module path: C:\RS2_Beta\RS2_Public_Final\RomeTW.exe
Report Id: 9d9e664c-b944-11df-810b-00241d720a70

[apple]

Is there anyway that I can get local moderator access in that sub-forum so I can split threads rather than report them?

Ask DVk or Tone, I'm sure they will grant you that.

[tone]

Sure fine by me. What needs doing?

Also anyone got any idea about these post battle CTDs? I wonder whether it's a trait issue?

[Brusilov]

I guess it could be a trait issue. I don't know how to debug such things.

I know the post battle CTD can be a problem sometime. I know the advice is to not click on the tick at the end immediately after the battle to accept the results - I presume sometimes the size of the battle may be part of the problem. I'm fairly sure it's a general RTW problem.

I had a CTD in my RTW BI carthage campaign last night - I don't have a save but I will run the campaign through again as I do have an older save.

@sithlord447 - the mod does not overwrite peoples settings in the preferences. The idea is that the install is over a working copy of RTW - I usually have all my preferences set up how I like them (resolution, minimal UI, arrow markers off, banners off, graphic options set etc etc) - to overwrite those would be a mistake as it could upset some people. Also having these pre-set means that when a campaign is lanched my preferred settings get copied into the campaign specifiic preferences and don't need to be set up again.

[dvk901]

We couldn't overwrite people's preferences anyway, they contain video settings that would always be specific to the type of video card they have.

My question is....was it in the release thread that 'Autosave' MUST be set to false? I didn't see it. Assuming that people remember this is wrong....because I forget about it all the time myself.

Post battle CTD's are most likely the old RTW bugs.......the one's concerning me are the characters moving on the strat map. That shouldn't ever happen.

We need to ask a site Moderator to get Brusilov Moderator rights. Normally I would've asked Squid...but is he back?

[Brusilov]

We couldn't overwrite people's preferences anyway, they contain video settings that would always be specific to the type of video card they have.

My question is....was it in the release thread that 'Autosave' MUST be set to false? I didn't see it. Assuming that people remember this is wrong....because I forget about it all the time myself.

Post battle CTD's are most likely the old RTW bugs.......the one's concerning me are the characters moving on the strat map. That shouldn't ever happen.

We need to ask a site Moderator to get Brusilov Moderator rights. Normally I would've asked Squid...but is he back?

With the autosave thing it's always been in the 'good playing practices' guide. Maybe we just need ot put that in the RSII forum - or to provide a link to it? I've used it as an example of something to read all over the TWC forum.

I had a PM conversation with Tony83 about how to get local moderator. He's suggested contacting someone from TWC Admin group. He's mentioned Aradan.

I don't think anyone has heard from Squid.

[Brusilov]

I've added a post to the RSII forum with a link to the Good Playing Practices Guide. It can be moved or sticked as seen fit.

[TTRouble]

I kicked off a new Macedon campaign (BI/HH/0 turn) to see if I could replicate the crash at 553AUC but I wasn't able to get it to bug out on my machine.

[apple]

Great.

[Brusilov]

Here is another confirmed CTD in this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=387646

It appears to happen in the Cimbri turn - but it was too quick for me.

They were using autosave.

[Brusilov]

Here is another confirmed CTD using RTW Alex and Macedon. The game CTDs during the Parhtian turn.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=387740

[tone]

I guess one possibility is that cloned characters are being created before spawned named characters are killed off by the script? ...i.e. within one turn.

Could you have a look at all the Parthian characters and see whether there is a cloned character amongst them?

[Brusilov]

I guess one possibility is that cloned characters are being created before spawned named characters are killed off by the script? ...i.e. within one turn.

Could you have a look at all the Parthian characters and see whether there is a cloned character amongst them?

This is the list of characters at the start of a campaign:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This is the list of characters Summer 541 (there is only one new general on screen 2 at the bottom)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This is the list of agents Summer 541 (I did not recruit any)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[dvk901]

The way I'm reading this:

;;iii gallica
monitor_event CharacterTurnEnd FactionType romans_brutii
and Trait Legio_III_Gallica = 1
and Trait Self_Destruct > 1
console_command kill_character "Gnaeus Attius"
console_command kill_character "Gnaeus Attius"
end_monitor

The character will not be killed in the first turn....but any turn 2 and beyond. So the characters aren't being killed the 'first' turn, but the second turn (or beyond). Perhaps it should read:

and Trait Self_Destruct > 0

Which would then kill the character immediately one presses the end-turn button.

????


As for after battle CTD's 'other than the after winning a siege battle' one, which is known......I'm fairly well convinced this is a video heat or overload issue. One user I advised to lower his settings (he evidently turned off anti_aliasing) and then the behavior stopped. That tells me that Players are setting their games up to a degree that is beyond their machine's capabilities, even if it 'seems' to be working OK. That's a pretty nasty situation there, and impossible to really 'fix' unless people just take the initiative to set their own PC's to settings that work for them. We were not experiencing this during Beta Testing, so it doesn't seem right that something we did is the cause.

[swhunter]

Hi after update on Beta RS2 SVN, loading to RS2 screen, ( picture of city) then CTD.
Tried it again, CTD
RTW 1.5