Can anyone enlighten me

[Dutchpower]

I was watching a docu about bin laden on National geographic the other day. He made a couple of remarks about America killing his woman and children but this statement was before the war on terrorism
was he talking about the first gulf war?

And why doas he hate america so much while russia invaded his country to. I am sure that the russians killed some fair share of his people, but i never heared him make a statement about that.

[Kanaric]

He hates america because it gets him followers.... idk what hes talking about with his family BTW, last I heard they are good friends of the US.

[Kino]

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[Kanaric]

Of course, he openly spoke out against all those countrys. Thats why I never got the "iraq supporing terrorism" thing, if you listen to his old videos he talks about Iraq and S/A 1000 times worse than the US.

[Francisco Montana]

Of course, he openly spoke out against all those countrys. Thats why I never got the "iraq supporing terrorism" thing, if you listen to his old videos he talks about Iraq and S/A 1000 times worse than the US.

Ay, my TW bretheren...lest we forget.

Thine enemy's enemy ist thouth friend.

More than a couple intelligence agencies (none of which were US btw) testify to a meeting (or two) between Iraqi intelligence officers and agents of UBL. Case in point: Zarqawi was there prior to the invasion.

I was watching a docu about bin laden on National geographic the other day. He made a couple of remarks about America killing his woman and children but this statement was before the war on terrorism
was he talking about the first gulf war?

And why doas he hate america so much while russia invaded his country to. I am sure that the russians killed some fair share of his people, but i never heared him make a statement about that.

America is the easiest scapgoat. Russia is a shell of her former (flimsly) glory. (I love russia and I am a huge fan of the Kazars and Siberia) But history cannot ignore itself. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Anyway, back to Usama. UBL is a very intelligent and a very educated individual. He, IMHO, has a very distorted view of the world, not unlike many genius megolomaniacs that came before him. He sees a helpless situation in the middle-east and has a very distorted view of old fashioned Islam. Who knows, really, how he got into the state he's in. But the undeniable truth is, every single professional psychiatist could tell you he shows every sign of delusion.

I'm a true blooded American, take this all with a biased grain of salt. But at the end of the day, the truth will not lie far from my assesment, I have no fear of losing face.

The US, France, Germany, Britain, Japan, we've all done stuff in the past to P off the Muslims. But for the most part (due to our infancy at the time), the US was usually simply trying to stand behind an ally. Now we find ourselves in the thick of things as the only remaining super power.

And that brings me full circle back to point.

We make the easiest scapegoat.

[Kanaric]

Zarqawi isn't Bin Ladin.

Thine enemy's enemy ist thouth friend.

Definately we should know that from the 80s, afterall we went back and forth between Iraq and Iran. Hell we even helped Bin Ladin against the Russians.

I'm a true blooded American

Hate that phrase, guess that makes you an Indian am I to assume? Sorry but i'm american as well and being american doesn't mean believing 100% of what any government says. Also being american doesn't mean anything of what you said. Being american, if you follow the founders of the country, means believing in constitutional rights and being an isolationist, ironically. Though i'm certainly no isolationist, so I guess i'm unamerican as well.

[Francisco Montana]

More than a couple intelligence agencies (none of which were US btw) testify to a meeting (or two) between Iraqi intelligence officers and agents of UBL.

Zarqawi isn't Bin Ladin.

No he isn't. And I'm not you. But the fact remains, Zarqawi is an agent of UBL and Al Queda. You would be more convincing if your reply had contained any relevance.

Definately we should know that from the 80s, afterall we went back and forth between Iraq and Iran. Hell we even helped Bin Ladin against the Russians.

Sorry, I touched on this for you in my edit of my previous post. After a hasty reply to you, I decided I should probably address the thread started and edited my post accordingly.

My bad.

[Francisco Montana]

I'm a true blooded American

Hate that phrase, guess that makes you an Indian am I to assume? Sorry but i'm american as well and being american doesn't mean believing 100% of what any government says. Also being american doesn't mean anything of what you said. Being american, if you follow the founders of the country, means believing in constitutional rights and being an isolationist, ironically. Though i'm certainly no isolationist, so I guess i'm unamerican as well.

Good Lord sir, what got your feathers in a tussle?

I simply stated that to emphasize my bias in the assesment. Somthing I personally thought was very intellectually honest.

In more loose terms... Lighten up.

How do you know this? Did the CIA tell you!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Well, I didn't realise this was "Current Events 101" or I would have brought my scrap book. It's in the news, pay attention before you throw around insults.

edit: also yo would be more convincing if you didn't call yourself a red blooded american. GAH, that phrase just makes me want to get out my rusted out pickup, go to hazzard county, and **** with boss hogg.

Speaking of insults, I ask again, what did I do to you to warrent such venom?

Gentlemen stick to the topic.

Why doas russia get away with invading afghanistan while america gets the blame for killing woman children BEFORE the war on terrorism in afghanistan.

I know its propaganda but it had to start somewhere and thats what i want to know.

See my original post before I was pounced upon.

[Kino]

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[Kanaric]

Osama would have never help Iraq, they were too secularist.

Exactly, if you listen to what hes said about them its funny. The REAL "war on terror", or war on Islamo-fascism (love that word W created), exists in Afghanistan, NOT Iraq. Most of the terrorists Iraq are not Jihadists they are nationalists and pro-saddam idiots, with a sprinkling of fundamentalists.

The Sunni's are usually the more "liberal" muslim group. Why would it be THEY who are only fighting us in Iraq? Simple, they want the days of Saddam, a secular-fascist leader in the same line as Kim Jong Il or Mussolini, who is also a Sunni to return as they had power in that time. Terrorism is nothing to do with it, its only the tactic they use to get that kind of government back.

If anything Iraq will become a terrorist country because they will vote islamists into office.... thats what is happening in a lot of Mid-eastern countries. Also thats why Egypt is afraid of elections. If anything we would be better off with a puppet dictator in power, like Musharrif in Pakistan.

No he isn't. And I'm not you. But the fact remains, Zarqawi is an agent of UBL and Al Queda. You would be more convincing if your reply had contained any relevance.

How do you know this? Did the CIA tell you!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

edit: also yo would be more convincing if you didn't call yourself a red blooded american. GAH, that phrase just makes me want to get out my rusted out pickup, go to hazzard county, and **** with boss hogg.

[Dutchpower]

Gentlemen stick to the topic.

Why doas russia get away with invading afghanistan while america gets the blame for killing woman children BEFORE the war on terrorism in afghanistan.

I know its propaganda but it had to start somewhere and thats what i want to know.

[Kanaric]

That phrase annoys me, like my statement about iraq does you.

Its as if your saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you is unamerican and almost not human, afterall if I were stupid I could take it as that I dont have blood. Why dont I have blood because I dont give a **** about Al-Qaida sir!? ANSWER!!! Is it because I know the fact that the al-qaida fundamentalist terrorists didn't exist in Iraq until we came their?

Or is it because I know that the real war on terrorism is in Afghanistan and we just went to Iraq to take our eyes off the failures of this country in the past 30 years to combat extremists? Clinton had the chance to kill Bin Ladin, but didn't take it and you NEVER hear about that. Bush had the chance to support the war on terrorism and fight the REAL ISLAMIC terrorists in Iraq and instead lies every day about supporting the troops, when my family can't get into the VA and they cut out veteran pentions?

Its all propoganda, its EVERYONES propoganda, i dont know why you dont see this. The fact that people are so unamerican, as in what our forefathers would believe, as to universally blindly support any political group in this country and listen to every lie they say probably makes them roll in their graves.

Also how can you trust anything the government tells us about these terorrist groups when they can't even figure out where some 80 year old many with a huge ****ing dialysis machine and a horde of fanatics follows with lots of bombs and gun is in some dirt ass backwater that is a throwback to the 1800s!? Simply, you cant.... and saying that listening to such people listed above makes you AMERICAN, makes me want to JOIN Al-Qaida.

I can't believe people believe the trash that these politicians spurt out. Its hilariously annoying, all poltical, and all untrue.

edit: Idk why people take the **** i say so seriously, most of what I say is completely cynical because of what people on this board say on a daily basis. If you are offended by what i'm talking about then my job is done.