What? No pikes?

**Turtle Hammer** · September 04, 2010, 02:25 PM

For some reason my Baktrian Royal Guard and Indo-Hellenic phalanx don't seem to be packing spears, and appear armed more like Iberian Assault Infantry or something like that. Same with Hellenic Royal Guard, is this normal? The Baktrian and Hellenic Royal Guard I could sort of understand, but Indo-Hellenic Phalanx has phalanx in the name, and they all have descriptions hinting at either hellenic or makedonian style spears.

Any ideas?

**athanaric** · September 04, 2010, 02:30 PM

Alt+right click...

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**Turtle Hammer** · September 07, 2010, 07:06 PM

Is there any way to swap these two weapons around? i.e. spear becomes primary and sword secondary? Charging is fine with Alt+right click, but recieving a charge is less ideal.

**bobbin** · September 08, 2010, 06:53 AM

You would have to actually edit the model using a program like 3DsMax, even then I'm not sure it would do anything.

It seems to be a bug inherent in RTW that units with swords and spears use them in completely the opposite way than you would expect them to.

**athanaric** · September 08, 2010, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by bobbin

You would have to actually edit the model using a program like 3DsMax, even then I'm not sure it would do anything.

Perhaps he can use the model of the Armenian Elites as a template? They're the only elite infantry with spear and sword in the "right" order: spear primary, long sword secondary.

It seems to be a bug inherent in RTW that units with swords and spears use them in completely the opposite way than you would expect them to.

Have you had better successes with the M2TW engine? And if so, will we see Hypaspistai, Solduroi, and the like using their swords when on a wall, and yet still be able to use their spears when appropriate?

**Turtle Hammer** · September 08, 2010, 06:02 PM

I wouldn't have to do any modelling, if you alt+right click they will charge with spears (ala Greek classic hoplites). But, without the alt key they use swords. This is not really an issue unless you're recieving a charge, say from cavalry, and don't have quite enough time to micromanage your phalanxes.

**bobbin** · September 08, 2010, 06:32 PM

You asked if there was a way to switch the primary and secondary weapons around, the only way to do that is by editing the models.

Originally Posted by athanaric

Perhaps he can use the model of the Armenian Elites as a template? They're the only elite infantry with spear and sword in the "right" order: spear primary, long sword secondary.

Have you had better successes with the M2TW engine? And if so, will we see Hypaspistai, Solduroi, and the like using their swords when on a wall, and yet still be able to use their spears when appropriate?

The skin wouldn't match the model so you would still need to use something like 3dsmax to get it working.

As it is currently, the behaviour is improved in EBII but its not perfect, two weapon units with spears will fight cavalry properly but the guard mode is still kinda bugged I'm afraid (this is a RTW/M2TW engine problem AFAIK).

**mamik_yev_konak** · September 09, 2010, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Turtle Hammer

I wouldn't have to do any modelling, if you alt+right click they will charge with spears (ala Greek classic hoplites). But, without the alt key they use swords. This is not really an issue unless you're recieving a charge, say from cavalry, and don't have quite enough time to micromanage your phalanxes.

And walls.