offending nobility

[dominion]

My king has offended the nobility(don't ask me why though), but the message with it says "generals will pick sides in an upcoming civil war". My question is has someone ever had a civil war or are these just messages and doesn't a civil war happen in the game. I'm playing as CS.

[PerXX]

Quite soon you'll notice that your various generals and familymembers start dividing into Loyalist (which gain Loyality) and Rebels (which lose Loyality). If left alone you'll eventually lose controll of the rebels, so you can't move them more than a single square at at time, if at all, and the towns they reside in could easily gain so much unrest that they'd rebel.

[Alavaria]

Yeah, the moment I notice that someone looks like they're going to the rebel camp, what I tend to do is:
1) Into the ocean
2) Solo charge into enemy
3) Turn them into a heavy cavalry unit following someone with MORE command than they do ...

Its too bad for the rebels that they are instantly found out and *cough*neutralized*cough* by their faction leader in the sky. Or anyone with low loyalty for that matter, since it's easily observable by the player.

[PerXX]

Yeah, the moment you see someone looks like their going to the rebel camp, what I tend to do is:
1) Into the ocean
2) Solo charge into enemy
3) Turn them into a heavy cavalry unit following someone with MORE command than they do ...

Getting your king killed off might be the easiest way to fix the entire problem.

[Alavaria]

Hmm, I always assumed the next one would just get the same issue ...
Sometimes my leader is a 10 star 10 dead guy who is singlehandedly responsible for trashing entire factions (well the militia help, but his dread routs them).

That and I like the idea of neutralizing rebels. Get more for adoption anyway >.>

[Fakir]

Hmm, I always assumed the next one would just get the same issue ...
Sometimes my leader is a 10 star 10 dead guy who is singlehandedly responsible for trashing entire factions (well the militia help, but his dread routs them).

That and I like the idea of neutralizing rebels. Get more for adoption anyway >.>

Yeah man! Exactly. King Ruggerio FTW!

[SirRobin]

Wow, I never saw this - how does it come about?

[Medkirtys]

Wow, I never saw this - how does it come about?

I saw that HRE starting leader has this, that's all

[Meneth]

Here's the triggers:

;*********** REBELLION TRIGGERS ************
;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not1
 WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

 Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and SettlementsTaken >= 7
       and FactionIsLocal

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not2
 WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

 Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and SettlementsTaken >= 15
       and FactionIsLocal 

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not3
 WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

 Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and SettlementsTaken >= 25
       and FactionIsLocal

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 3

;------------------------------------------
;usurper or asserting newly blue hued blood.
Trigger Usurper1
 WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

 Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and SettlementsTaken >= 7
       and Trait SonofKingPrince <= 0
       and FactionIsLocal

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 3

;------------------------------------------
;Nation in debt!
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Unreasonable_Finances
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and IsFactionLeader
       and Treasury < 0
       and Attribute Authority <= 5
       and FactionIsLocal

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 5

;------------------------------------------
;Excommunication!
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religiona
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition FactionExcommunicated
       and IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and Attribute Piety <= 4 
       and FactionIsLocal

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 5

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
       and Attribute Authority < 5

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 1

;------------------------------------------
;since the king isn't around... let's check again...
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and DistanceCapital >= 75
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 3

;------------------------------------------
;The King is a Bad Fink!
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite_1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Attribute Chivalry <= -5
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 2

;------------------------------------------
;The King is not looking out for the salvation of our souls
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religionb_ai
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition FactionExcommunicated
       and IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and Attribute Piety <= 4
       and not FactionIsLocal ;strictly AI

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_king_regains_control1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
       and DistanceCapital < 50
       and Attribute Authority >= 6

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 50

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_king_regains_control2
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Attribute Chivalry > 4
       and DistanceCapital < 50
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Battle_HeroicBattleCommander2
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles > 1
       and WonBattle
       and PercentageEnemyKilled > 25
       and BattleOdds < 0.51

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 33

[SirRobin]

Thanks for posting, I had no idea civil wars were even possible in MTWII Never saw it happen

[SirRobin]

Are these triggers also active for the AI factions?

[dominion]

Are these triggers also active for the AI factions?

Someone above posted

I saw that HRE starting leader has this, that's all

so i think so.

[Meneth]

Are these triggers also active for the AI factions?

Only these ones:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
       and Attribute Authority < 5

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 1

;------------------------------------------
;since the king isn't around... let's check again...
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and DistanceCapital >= 75
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 3

;------------------------------------------
;The King is a Bad Fink!
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite_1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Attribute Chivalry <= -5
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 2

;------------------------------------------
;The King is not looking out for the salvation of our souls
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religionb_ai
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition FactionExcommunicated
       and IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and Attribute Piety <= 4
       and not FactionIsLocal ;strictly AI

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_king_regains_control1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
       and DistanceCapital < 50
       and Attribute Authority >= 6

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 50

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_king_regains_control2
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Attribute Chivalry > 4
       and DistanceCapital < 50
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1

 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Battle_HeroicBattleCommander2
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsFactionLeader
       and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles > 1
       and WonBattle
       and PercentageEnemyKilled > 25
       and BattleOdds < 0.51

Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 33

For the rest, FactionIsLocal is one of the conditions, meaning only the player can get them.

[MonkeyChief]

Yeah I've never had this - sounds awesome though!

[preachercheeze]

Yeah I've never had this - sounds awesome though!

no it isn't... it sucks big buck....

it renders almost half of your generals immobile and worthless and you can't get rid of them... If the settlement doesn't rebel then nothing happens... the best thing to do is to move every pre-rebel general (certain trait indicates) out of the settlements and into the "death-ships"....

If I get this trait I usually just remove_trait 'cause I have had many games ruined because of this....

[Amaranth]

If I get this trait I usually just remove_trait 'cause I have had many games ruined because of this....

Divine intervention via console ftw!

[MonkeyChief]

So its not really a civil war then? Eveyone just gets immoble? Ok i stand corrected - that does suck!

[dominion]

King has offended nobility->results in:
-upcoming civil war
-half (more or less) of your generals loose al their loyalty
-those generals that loose their loyalty, when you put them in a settlement, the settlement will have a major uprising (civil unrest)....settlement wil rebel(maybe not first turn but 2nd or 3rd).
-when those generals are in the field they will rebel
-if one of those generals are leading an army in the field then there is a very big chance your entire army will rebel.

Conclusion: don't offend the nobility....kind off a nightmare.

[rockman4417]

I'd prefer the generals rebel right then and there, none of this coercing them into ships and such. Make it more like the Baron's Alliance in Britain Campaign.

[Double A]

I'd prefer the generals rebel right then and there, none of this coercing them into ships and such. Make it more like the Baron's Alliance in Britain Campaign.

Then there'd only by 10 factions instead of 20.

Stupid hardcoding.