If you are not playing VH/VH, you need to....

[tallstark]

After taking a few weeks off I came back and continue to be amazed at some comments and questions. My list of suggestions of what all y'all who are still playing on m/m need to do looks like this:

1. Please stop making idiotic comments about how you are making $20,000 per turn at turn 25, how easy this or that is etc... It's not the same game.
2. Spend 2 hours reading all the great posts about strategy FIRST, try them SECOND, then ask questions if you still don't get it.
3. Not offer any suggestions or comments on stupid AI, over/under powered units, give any advice to any other questions.
4. Recognize you are still playing with training wheels and thats OK! Just remember the builders of the mod say right in the sticky that its meant to be played on VH/VH and if you are not there yet, its not the mod, its you. Your comments or suggestions don't have any meaning yet, you are still in grade school and should be quiet and listen while the adults are talking LMAO.
5. Keep having fun with it, its a game.

[Venia]

1. Please stop making idiotic comments about how you are making $20,000 per turn at turn 25, how easy this or that is etc... It's not the same game..

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I didn'tknow you could earn real dollars in tatw
I thought it were just florins

[Narf]

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I didn'tknow you could earn real dollars in tatw
I thought it were just florins

And i thought it was just gold?

[Gaizokubanou]

And i thought it was just gold?

The icon for it certainly looks like gold coins.

[Narf]

The icon for it certainly looks like gold coins.

And i'm quite certain it says gold in the missions and such.

[tallstark]

LOL I don't have florins on my keyboard, YET.

[Mikail Mengsk]

3. Not offer any suggestions or comments on stupid AI

The AI doesn't change its behaviour AT ALL, from E to VH. It only changes modifiers to unit's stats and economy incomes.

[JorisofHolland]

If you are not playing VH/VH, you need to....

... start doing so or at least don't bother people with stupid questions.

[A_B]

I have an issue with VH on the strategic map - the AI settlements get a massive growth bonus for their cities. This gives them access to better units much faster, which is fine, but when you capture a settlement, you can invariably produce your best units there (because it is a bigger settlement).

I'm ok with Orc settlements growing very fast, but i think the human should be requried to exterminate these cities when capturing them.

[Everto]

I have an issue with VH on the strategic map - the AI settlements get a massive growth bonus for their cities. This gives them access to better units much faster, which is fine, but when you capture a settlement, you can invariably produce your best units there (because it is a bigger settlement).

I'm ok with Orc settlements growing very fast, but i think the human should be requried to exterminate these cities when capturing them.

[athanaric]

After taking a few weeks off I came back and continue to be amazed at some comments and questions. My list of suggestions of what all y'all who are still playing on m/m need to do looks like this:

1. Please stop making idiotic comments about how you are making $20,000 per turn at turn 25, how easy this or that is etc... It's not the same game.
2. Spend 2 hours reading all the great posts about strategy FIRST, try them SECOND, then ask questions if you still don't get it.
3. Not offer any suggestions or comments on stupid AI, over/under powered units, give any advice to any other questions.
4. Recognize you are still playing with training wheels and thats OK! Just remember the builders of the mod say right in the sticky that its meant to be played on VH/VH and if you are not there yet, its not the mod, its you. Your comments or suggestions don't have any meaning yet, you are still in grade school and should be quiet and listen while the adults are talking LMAO.
5. Keep having fun with it, its a game.

Um, news flash: TW games are designed for Medium difficulty. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called medium. VH/VH doesn't do squat to improve the AI, it just makes it cheat more. If you like fighting a cheating enemy, go ahead. In my opinion, it's a waste of time.


Also, VH battles give the AI stat boni. How on earth can anyone call that "balanced"?

[David93]

Um, news flash: TW games are designed for Medium difficulty. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called medium. VH/VH doesn't do squat to improve the AI, it just makes it cheat more. If you like fighting a cheating enemy, go ahead. In my opinion, it's a waste of time.


Also, VH battles give the AI stat boni. How on earth can anyone call that "balanced"?

Because i (at least) am smarter than the idiotic a.i. it is far to easy on less than VH/VH

[A_B]

VH can also make the AI suicidally aggressive on the strat map, launching partial stacks of units at you rather than collecting them in to larger armies before attacking. This make VH easier than M or H in some cases.

[Big Pacha]

Because i (at least) am smarter than the idiotic a.i. it is far to easy on less than VH/VH

Yes, definitely.

For those who have played TW for many years, the M/M level is way too easy.
- the AI is not aggressive enough - the player always has the initiative of attacking
- in battle, the AI is too shy (again) and on a balanced fight the player wins too easily. H & VH require to use real tactics to win a balanced battle (more when Its unbalanced in favor of the AI of course)

Valid for all mods & vanilla (especially vanilla!) TW games.

So...

@ athanaric: you are technically right about "cheating" AI etc. but all TW are fine on M/M only for those who just discovered it. For many of us It's just not enough & a M/M game is just awfully boring . Therefore, we need more challenge (tougher battles, aggressive & cunning AI etc) to have some fun again..
BTW that's how I still enjoy RTW mods after 7 years

Now, I concede that the OP is a bit patronizing. Newcomers are always welcome but yeah, they should avoid noob comments

[Gaizokubanou]

- in battle, the AI is too shy (again)

It's no more shy than it is even on VH/VH.

[Big Pacha]

It's no more shy than it is even on VH/VH.

Wut? Of course It is. On M & even sometimes H the AI stays still & waits to be butchered by your (supposedly) smart moves... or worse, It takes every bait you throw. On VH It takes initiatives, moves & inflicts you way more damage.

Some mods use AI submods (Darthmod etc) so It changes.TATW is pretty good on that = battle AI usually makes some relatively good choices & moves - that may not be enough vs. a human player thou, hence the VH settings.

BTW This is a general TW question, not specific to TATW

[athanaric]

@ athanaric: you are technically right about "cheating" AI etc. but all TW are fine on M/M only for those who just discovered it.

Yeah and they are also fun for people who want to play somewhat realistic. I've played EB on VH/M and H/M for a year or more, then switched back to M/M, for realism and a less suicidal AI.
And playing RTW mods on higher than Medium battles is for retards who're happy with the AI getting a +7 bonus on everything. I can't say for sure what it's like with M2TW, but I'm not seeing major changes in battle mechanics.

For many of us It's just not enough & a M/M game is just awfully boring.

For me, fighting seven battles a turn is just awfully boring. I'm a strategic player, not a noob who needs to learn with as many skirmishes as possible. M/M challenging enough if you don't blitz and try to keep all your allies alive and in their proper territores.

Therefore, we need more challenge (tougher battles, aggressive & cunning AI etc) to have some fun again..
BTW that's how I still enjoy RTW mods after 7 years

I marvel at that. It's proven that the RTW AI doesn't get one bit more cunning on higher settings. It just gets more aggressive towards the human player (which is illogical), and cheats more (which is deplorable. Apparently the developers couldn't be arsed with creating a strategic AI).

Conclusion: RTW on H or VH battles is retarded and I haven't seen anything in BC, Rusichi, or TATW yet that convinces me it's any different with M2TW. Now if some people want to play retarded, they are free to do so. But then they should refrain from calling everyone else "n00b".

[pilleman182]

Yes, definitely.

For those who have played TW for many years, the M/M level is way too easy.
- the AI is not aggressive enough - the player always has the initiative of attacking
- in battle, the AI is too shy (again) and on a balanced fight the player wins too easily. H & VH require to use real tactics to win a balanced battle (more when Its unbalanced in favor of the AI of course)

Valid for all mods & vanilla (especially vanilla!) TW games.

So...

@ athanaric: you are technically right about "cheating" AI etc. but all TW are fine on M/M only for those who just discovered it. For many of us It's just not enough & a M/M game is just awfully boring . Therefore, we need more challenge (tougher battles, aggressive & cunning AI etc) to have some fun again..
BTW that's how I still enjoy RTW mods after 7 years

Now, I concede that the OP is a bit patronizing. Newcomers are always welcome but yeah, they should avoid noob comments

hey guys, my first post here since the registration finally worked xD

I have no clue why most of you are posting such a random like what i quoted. Honestly, the creator of this thread should go in a corner and blame himself.

It is pretty obviously that people who dont play on VH/VH have a more peaceful life regarding to the AI, but in fact, VH/VH is the most unrealistic choice you can make.
I don't care if you dislike my comment, but in every single mod / vanilla of RTW, M2TW or Empire itself it was , at least to me, very disappointing to play on VH/VH ( though i still do it, TW for 8 years by now! ) , because the AI is not behaving as an "Intelligence". Playing on VH/VH of course makes the game more challenging, but it often looses its reality.

Imagine me ( as Gondor, after invading Mordor) being at the gates of the last City of Rohan with 5 full stacks, whereas they just have 3 Units of bowmen. Where is the sense in not accepting a ceasefire?!

Same goes for every Vanilla /other mod of RTW, M2TW. And you guys can't really tell me "its more realistic to play VH/VH" . It's just a bit more challenging to have a more aggressiv AI.

And , last but not least, please gtfo with blaming people who post questions concerning stuff of M/M since they need to know how the game works first. I bet all of you guys started on M/M first , so dont be pissed by people that are your future here :-)



BTW, what i nearly forgot: Isn't it a bit childish that you pr0's keep talking but your fav victories on VH/VH aswell, since thats way 2 eazy in every TW game?

Imagine Faramir as the Lord of Terror defeating like 4000 Orcs/Uruks at E. Osgiliath every single Turn with an amount of 1000-1500 militia troops. And he obviously is not just defending and the victories were not just taken behind the walls. So i dont really get the point in some people talking about n00bs in this thread :-/

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-just used *toggle_fow to show you how middle earth looks like in 2989TA when your not going to conquer the whole world with your superb knowledge of this game and strategy at all xD blame me pls ffs >.<

[Legolose]

Um, news flash: TW games are designed for Medium difficulty. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called medium. VH/VH doesn't do squat to improve the AI, it just makes it cheat more. If you like fighting a cheating enemy, go ahead. In my opinion, it's a waste of time.


Also, VH battles give the AI stat boni. How on earth can anyone call that "balanced"?

It is stated that they made this mod to be played in VH/VH mode so you should probly get your facts straight before making a comment like that Also there is a quick solution to your problem about the game being unbalanced go here

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[athanaric]

if you are not playing VH/VH, you need to....
...play on different difficulty

That was probably the best post in this thread.

It is stated that they made this mod to be played in VH/VH mode so you should probly get your facts straight before making a comment like that

Thank you, I had read that recommendation before downloading the mod. I still disagree with it. Now stop wasting my time.

This isnt earth, this is Middle-Earth!

It's the same thing, as far as Tolkien is concerned. It's written in some book, I believe it was called "The Lord of the Rings". I know most people here have never read it, but it's a really good read.