Canada vs Australia

[Eric]

I thought of a hypothetical situation which I think may be interesting to discuss.

In 1999, a Canadian Destroyer is on patrol near the coast of Australia(assigned their by request of the Australian goverment, to help protect Australian waters), it is an extremly foggy night and radar is malfunctioning as a result. Because of the radar malfunctions, the destroyer mistakes an Australian Frigate for a Pirate vessel(the modern kind that attack shipping routes and are mostly known as Terrorists now). After 10 minutes of deliberation, the Destroyer open fires. The frigate is sunk as a result. The Australian goverment takes this as an act of open war and most of Parliament wishes for a war. The Canadian goverment is reluctant to fight but will defend Canada if it comes to that. After 4 weeks of strained and tense diplomacy, the two countries declare war.

Obviously this would never happen in real life. But, if it did, what would happen, where would the battles be fought, who would be the victor and what would be the consequences?

[viteLius]

lol it would be very interesting to see wat the U.S. would do...

[Francisco Montana]

lol it would be very interesting to see wat the U.S. would do...

If this happened after Iraq, I could take a wild guess who they would support.


This is a pretty funny senerio for a host of reasons.

Knowing Aussies the way I do and Canadians the way I do.

My money is on Oz.

(are we sure this isnt' going to start a flame war between Canadians and Aussie's? LOL)

[Guderian]

WHAT? Why is there any doubt? Australia of course. First all the Canadians will die from the heat, while we sit back and enjoy a 6 pack then we well smash Canadian arse right across the Pacific but stop short of invading Canada itself because it's too damn cold.

[RZZZA]

I dunno much about australias military and maybe the aussies here can jump in, but I know from watching The History Channel that the Canadians have some very strong and very capable troops. In all the times Canadians and Americans conducted joint operations the general consensus was that the Canadians were on par with American troops when it comes to effectiveness and reliabality, of course the canadian government doesnt have the funs to supply very many of their troops very well, and lack the hardware to project their forces very well, and they rely much on America for logistics and all that...but usually the American troops regard Canadians as equals on the battlefield when it comes to respect, effectiveness, comraderie and reliablity.

I'm afraid to say that the deciding factor would be who America chooses to support and aid in this endeavor, and I'm sorry to say but in all but the most extreme hypotheticals, I see America siding with Canada in most any situation, even when it came to war against Australia. Although by no means do Australians deserve American scorn or disrespect, its just obvious to me that America has much more in common with Canada than with Australia.

[Guderian]

We just got a shipment of Abrams from the US (overpriced though they were), our special forces (SAS) are the best in the world. Our navy isn't too bad, I'm pretty sure it beats the Canadian Navy, our Airforce is abit outdated so not sure about them, and our troops also kick American arse regularly during training excercises....

[Francisco Montana]

and our troops also kick American arse regularly during training excercises....

Now we're getting somewhere..


How about Canada and Aus vs The US!!!

Oh, wait, I mean


:laughing:

[RZZZA]

"our special forces (SAS) are the best in the world. "


Ok no offense but EVERY NATION has been claiming to have the best special forces in the world. America does on a regular basis thats for sure, then I see Americans praise Canada's special forces units very highly, then I see the brits on this board claim their special forces is actually the best in the world, and still others say its the Israeli's who hold that prize, almost writing the book on modern anti-terrorist procedures with special tactics teams.

[Kino]

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[Guderian]

Dr. Zoidberg or Qin could probably make a better war scenario than me since both of them are military nuts IRC...

The SAS's actions in Afghanistan and Iraq led President George W. Bush to describe them as being amongst the best soldiers in the world.

He's probably playing favourites but take that.

To be honest I think niether army would even make it to the other country since both are mostly intended for border patrol, defence and special operations (i.e peacekeeping)

[IamthePope]

I second that. Invade Canada

[the_mango55]

I think that in the unlikely event that this happened, I doubt the US would involve itself directly in the combat, but may provide financial and economic aid one side or another. The US would likely side with Canada simply because Australia is the agressor (even though Canada fired the first shots, that was a mistake and Australia declared the war). On the other hand we may either try to play peacemaker, or see what side Britain is on.

This scenario is almost unthinkable. One of unspoken rules in modern diplomacy is that Democratic nations do not fight each other. But that might be somthing we are just taking for granted because it hasnt happened in so long.

[Kino]

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[Justinian]

Here's what would happen: nothing.

Aussie troops can't get to Canada or invade Canada, Canadian troops can't get to Australia or invade Australia. Both countries are huge, for one.

Couldn't you Aussies have come up with a better name for your spec ops then 'SAS'? Used already..

[Guderian]

The details of SAS involvement in all operations are generally secret. However, it is known that they operate in small groups, mostly performing surveillance and calling in air strikes. In Afghanistan, Australian SAS allegedly discovered Osama Bin Laden and called in US air support, but US fire missed their target. There are some reports that the SAS may have been in Iraq before the coalition officially declared that the invasion would go ahead [1]. It is confirmed that the Australian SAS captured the large Al Asad airbase in the Western Desert of Iraq.

How bad ass are we? You don't know till we come for you...

[RZZZA]

SWAT is actually a local police force, not a military unit able to serve abroad somewhere. The military equivelent of SWAT is, I believe, the Delta force and Rangers, amongst a few others I think...dunno those in the army can correct me there. I know for sure that Rangers and Delta Force can also "laze" certain sites and call in airstrikes. The American army especially has long been known to operate its infantry with close support from the air force, so calling in air strikes isnt exactly new technology. Its not even such an uncommon thing anymore these days. Honestly, I dont doubt that many countries outside of these mentioned here have great special forces units at their disposal, afterall training such units effectively isnt exactly a long lost art...

[Guderian]

Yeah the Australian SASr is based on the British, but we surpassed them in Vietnam I think...

[Guderian]

RZZZA do you realise that the SAS gets no support, they are basically in there on thier own, they were scouting the original invasion of Iraq and cleared out whole villages without taking any casualities...you are greatly underestimating the Australian SAS.

[RZZZA]

No I'm really not, I just know absolutely zip about the Australian SAS. But really it doesnt surprise me that Aussies consider their troops to be the best in the world. Doesnt every nation tend to do this? Germans think theyre the best, British think theyre the best, Chinese think theyre the best, Americans think theyre the best...etc. etc....

[balleny]

RZZZA do you realise that the SAS gets no support, they are basically in there on thier own, they were scouting the original invasion of Iraq and cleared out whole villages without taking any casualities...you are greatly underestimating the Australian SAS.

Canada has the JTF2. Besides Her Majesty the Queen would certainly side with a country not holding referanda to dispose her off her legitimate rights. So Australia would face (REAL) SAS, SBS, Royal Marines, Royal Navy. British PM would remember Maggie Thatcher, so like raising popularity in the South Atlantic in 1982, he would raise his popularity in the South Pacific. But maybe an invasion isn't even necessary. He simply declares Australia a big P(OW)-camp.

@ Dzoavits
Afterwards victorious Canada would send an ultimatum to the US to cede Louisiana to protect the cajuns.