Light Cav are too good

[CharlesthewiseV]

While playing multiplayer, i hav seen 5 stradiots slaughter 4 chivalrics and a pike unit. I thought this was a freak accident until my 4 teutonics, general and landsknect were killed by 5 alan light cav and a general bodyguard. how is it that light cav are so powerful yet also cheap and fast. is this normal or am i doing something wrong? I'd post the replys but i don' tknow how.

[Wilhelm Ritter]

That seems impossible... Maybe you have a bug??

[Om noml]

They may be using the cav bug on you. Never done it personally, and I don't plan to, but apparently if you "push" your men though a unit they start chopping with their swords quite quickly. Stradiots are one of the best units in the game, they are fast and they carry AP maces. It may be however, that they are simply outflanking you with their speedy cavalry. If you can keep your heavy cavalry close enough to your missiles you can probably shred the light cavalry. They have little or no armor, so they are susceptible to missiles.

[VersionLangley]

It possible that they use cav push....but cav push with 5 stradiots isn't the best thing and definitely not easy with 5 alan cav
Like Om noml said...I see lots of players use light cavalry very well to beat heavy with ease without cav push

Replay solves everything. To do so, click on "go advance" below the quick reply box
in advance mode, there should be a paperclip button above to allow you to make attachments

Or just give me the name of your opponent and I maybe able to tell you if he's legit or not

[... where did it run?]

Or maybe he just superior in tactics and you Q_Q about it?

A lot of things are possible.

[CharlesthewiseV]

He was more cyle charging his cav. I know that counts as better manouvering but how am I supposed to counter that when my cav are too slow to catch him. And my pikes would always be outrun. The players name is <HRC>_Romans. Plus i tried some custom battles and the stradiots beat the chivalrics head on 50% of the time.
Can't find the files where the replays are located. Could someone please help me with that so i can post the replays

[SirRobin]

I always wondered about this too, why light cavalry is so effective - you don't need heavy cavalry really, since the light horse units will do just fine in the same role.

Yes they will take casualties if you don't retreat after charging, but so will the heavies.

[The Moor]

The heavies last more.

[VersionLangley]

If you did save replays then it should be in the installation directory: C:/Program files/sega/Medieval II total war/replays. The file name is exactly as you type when you saved it

HRC Romans is good....tough luck bro ^^;

Maybe i can find a replay where i go up against light cav

[Om noml]

Heavies have an insanely strong charge. I have personally seen my cavalry charge a unit of DFKs, and the DFKs went from 60 to 10 in less than 3 seconds. Light cavalry doesn't have the charge strength of heavy cavalry. It involves the mass of the units. A bit off topic, but the best charges are a 1 click, in formation charge, with heavy cavalry.

Langley, I've played you before, no? I'm zealot56.

Ninja edit: I forgot to explain to you stradiots versing chivs. The strads have AP maces, which I believe halves the effects of shield/armour(I believe...) Either way, cav charges aren't that good against other cav if both units are moving, or at least in my cases they are. This means that in the melee, he AP maces of the strads will do a good number on the chivs.

[VersionLangley]

Yo zealot...don't see you often these days ^^
Ap attack only halves the amour, the shield value is unaffected (full in front, half on side and 0 behind)

some replay I was able to dig up of Alan cav (no AP attack)
-first one is how light cav are used to win with no cav push (i win)
-second one is how light cav are countered (i lost)....yes, the second replay i go up against medium cav instead of heavies, but the same maneuvers applies on how to counter light
Both actions are on the right
Unfortunately most games are on high so i don't get to see stradiots often

@OP...zip your replay because twcenter don't accept .rpy attachment

[Om noml]

Power supply was busted, so I couldn't play for a around a week.

[CharlesthewiseV]

Thanks a lot guys. Really helped.
I tried using light cav myslef but i cant get used to the weak charge.
Dont know how people can use them so well.
Found the replays but cant change them to zip files.

[micheljq]

I prefer heavies, they are tougher and their charge more powerful. The light cavalry in some situations will not last long.

I find light cavalry more suited for pursuits they are faster, and heavy cavalry on long runs will fatigue quickly.

[homefry]

It's not that light cav is so good, but the game gives a huge moral drop for units that get flanked or charged from the back.

[CharlesthewiseV]

Got the replays finnally if anyone still wants to see them.

[VersionLangley]

well...his cav move is legit

The only different between his and your cav is that his cav is control individually. If you play RTW then thats one of the major difference

and you only brought 5