How to destroy the Teutonic Order ?

[Shoryn]

Hi there

I was wondering how to completely destroy them ? Currently playing as Lithuania (6.3), I crushed their armies and characters when they spawned turn 126, assassinated their priests, but no "Faction destroyed" message.
I know there is another stack of them which spawns at turn 175 or so, will destroying this one destroy the faction ?

(By the way I find them just rather weak. They spawn with crappy armies when compared with what poland/lithuania/novgorod can get at turn 125-130. Only 2 Ritterbruders by stack and only sword brethren/order militia with some noob pikes against stacks of gold chev Dievas' Guards and lithuanian cavalry, and even more I thought they could give me some challenge but well, time to hunt some mongols )

[Siddyus]

What battle difficulty is that? I remember fighting against em at VH and it took me at least 2-3 stacks of armies just to completely destroy a single army. Was playing as Lithuania btw. Not sure how you defeat em as I havent reached that far yet.

[Shoryn]

Playing VH/VH. I destroyed their 2000 men with about 500 casualties. I prepared 4 full stacks but used only 2 of them (each stack contains : 1 General, 5 Dievas' Guard (gold/silver chev), 4 Lithuanian Cav (gold chev), 2 Lith Noble Infantry (copper chev), 2 Giltine's Chosen, 3 Ruthenian Archers (copper chev), 3 Ducal Spearmen). I relied heavily on my cavalry and was right : I began to kill their Ritterbruders by putting my Lith Cav behind them and shoot; then, the heavy infantry charged their lines and I took them from behind with General and Dievas Guard. End of the story

My territories (~100.000fl in Lith banks ) :

[Siddyus]

Playing VH/VH. I destroyed their 2000 men with about 500 casualties. I prepared 4 full stacks but used only 2 of them (each stack contains : 1 General, 5 Dievas' Guard (gold/silver chev), 4 Lithuanian Cav (gold chev), 2 Lith Noble Infantry (copper chev), 2 Giltine's Chosen, 3 Ruthenian Archers (copper chev), 3 Ducal Spearmen). I relied heavily on my cavalry and was right : I began to kill their Ritterbruders by putting my Lith Cav behind them and shoot; then, the heavy infantry charged their lines and I took them from behind with General and Dievas Guard. End of the story

My territories (~100.000fl in Lith banks ) :

Sweetness mate. I guess I have to refine my tactics then.

[Maltacus]

This problem has been discussed some times in the RR/RC mod forum, take a look there and search for threads about destroying the teutons. The problem with them that appeared in that mod is identical with what you describe, Shoryn.

The mechanisms regarding their invincibility are likely the same in 6.3; it is attached to them not having a family tree combined with being a horde type of faction.

EDIT: Here is a link to one of the threads
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...hese+guys+work
EDIT: Here is another
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...teutonic+order

[Shoryn]

Thanks Maltacus, +Rep I knew there were problems about this in 6.2 RR/RC as I already faced with Poland. I thought there was different in 6.3 though It's a shame there's no console code to destroy a faction

[MonkeyChief]

Wait Teutons appear in the early campaign? Holy crap i've never played up to 126 turns before!

[RabidSheepLegion]

Wait Teutons appear in the early campaign? Holy crap i've never played up to 126 turns before!

lol ya they do, that's year 1226ish

[Gogolometro]

Cant be beaten. Dont ask me why, is the lituanians bug like papacy.

[Maltacus]

Thanks Maltacus, +Rep I knew there were problems about this in 6.2 RR/RC as I already faced with Poland. I thought there was different in 6.3 though It's a shame there's no console code to destroy a faction

You're welcome. The link between no family tree and "immortality" is hardcoded as far as I know and originally used to make the papacy immortal. The teutons have received no family tree for historical accuracy - being run by grandmasters and not families. The side effect of faction immortality have been with them all the time. In my opinion, the requirement of destroying the teutonic order should be erased from all victory conditions. Not so many care about them, still, it is a stupid thing to have impossible objectives.

To remove the requirement of beating the teutons, change the victory conditions in the "descr_win_conditions" document found in

".....Medieval II Total War\mods\Stainless_Steel_6\data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign" (for early campaign).

[RollingWave]

I thought they were hell tough but that was 6.1 .... I guess it was the 2YT that did the trick since it basically halfed your developement time. I remember that in the 6.1 game I only had a castle at Phalanga when they hit, but now I'm still some 50 turns to the event and it's already fortress.