Just Going through the motions

[Prince Kassad]

In early 18th century Britain and America, Christianity almost died. Not due to persecution, war, or another faith. It was almost destroyed by itself.

This happens with many ideas. When it first starts, it is revolutionary and cutting edge. But when the fires of enthusiasm die down, and starts to become more of a tradition than a belief, bad things start to happen.

Luckily for Christianity, the Great Awakening (AKA Methodist Reformatio in Britain) came along and got everyone excited again.

I think that tradition versus belief problem is starting to affect many liberal ideas that were originally good.

Take equal rights for example. In the 50s and 60s, this was cutting edge and many people truly believed in it and fought for it.

But now, despite countless government regulations, lawsuits, workplace quotas, litigation, intense media propaganda, the whole thing has become a sick joke. Everybody supposedly believes it, but everyone is just "going through the motions". Many of the equal rights movements now have been exposed as corrupt institutions who are only trying to increase the power and advantages of their own race.

Interestingly, this trend can be seen extremely clearly in the Star Trek saga.

When the show first started in the 60s, the civil rights movement was just getting started, and wasn't supported by law, the media, or even the majority of the population. The whole thing was "persecuted", if you will.

To show his daring ideas on racial equality, the founder of the show, Gene Rodenberry, loaded the cast with people of all races. Though Capt. Kirk was white, he was literally surrounded by people of all races; a scottish engineer (Scotty), oriental navigator (Sulu), Russian ensign (Checkoff), and the list goes on.

Now compare this with the modern Star Trek shows. Now there are scads of laws, legions of equal rights lawyers, and workplace quotas.

Just to show they care about equal rights, the producers just stick a few minorities in the cast, and have everybody else be white people. In the "Next Generation", they were too lazy to even do that - instead of trying to find real races, they just made up a bunch of imaginary aliens and robots to fill the bridge and engine room.

When I think of an older person or milestone in the civil rights movement, I think of Gene Rodenberry, Gerry Anderson, Martin Luther King, and even George Patton! All impressive, talented people, most of whom seriously believed in this idea.

Now think of the modern civil rights movement. Just a bunch of preachy, hypocritical lawyers and professors who are only doing it for the attention (and $$$) they get out of it.

I think the equal rights movement is destroying itself, which would explain larger numbers of blacks and jews are starting to vote more to the right.

Most of the modern equal rights doctrines are actually causing racial tension, instead of healing it. Just look at affirmative action and the reparations blowhards are demanding.

So unless the liberals take their heads out of the sand, and start reigning back these power mongers posing as equal rights advocates, we won't be seeing any more real progress in equal rights.

Its actually kind of ironic really. Martin Luther King is a hero, but all of the people who claim to love him are actually doing the opposite of what he said.

[Darth Wong]

If you seriously think that blacks are voting conservative because they've started to reject civil rights, you're kidding yourself. The religious blacks are leaning right nowadays because the right has successfully driven a wedge between religion and the left, and that trumps civil rights in their minds.

Black men in America still feel very much discriminated against; if you honestly think that real discrimination is a thing of the past and civil-rights is now tilting the playing field in the opposite direction, I suspect you have not spoken to a lot of black men about their experiences with racism.

[Prince Kassad]

If you seriously think that blacks are voting conservative because they've started to reject civil rights, you're kidding yourself. The religious blacks are leaning right nowadays because the right has successfully driven a wedge between religion and the left, and that trumps civil rights in their minds.

Face it: Civil rights is no longer tied with the liberal party. You can support civil rights AND vote for the cons. The two actually go together quite well.

Black men in America still feel very much discriminated against; if you honestly think that real discrimination is a thing of the past and civil-rights is now tilting the playing field in the opposite direction, I suspect you have not spoken to a lot of black men about their experiences with racism.

I assume you've talked to a lot of American black men?

[Darth Wong]

I assume you've talked to a lot of American black men?

I've seen surveys about black perceptions of racism in America. That constitutes statistical data gleaned from researchers talking to an awful lot of American black men. If you have ever seen a survey which say that American blacks agree racism is no longer a problem in America, I'd love to hear about it.

[Prince Kassad]

I've seen surveys about black perceptions of racism in America. That constitutes statistical data gleaned from researchers talking to an awful lot of American black men. If you have ever seen a survey which say that American blacks agree racism is no longer a problem in America, I'd love to hear about it.

Let's see, a black person has two possible responses to such a government question:

1) No, I don't have a problem with racism. The gov. surveyor leaves and nothing happens.

2) Yes, all white people are racists - which means we deserve yet another government hand out!

[Darth Wong]

Let's see, a black person has two possible responses to such a government question:

1) No, I don't have a problem with racism. The gov. surveyor leaves and nothing happens.

2) Yes, all white people are racists - which means we deserve yet another government hand out!

Ah, I see. So you assume black people are all lying about racism. Fine, I obviously can't convince you, and surveys can't convince you, and ... well, it's pretty obvious nothing will convince you. Feel free to go on believing that there's no racism against blacks in America any more.

[Guderian]

Prince Kassad are you related in any way to First Crusader by any chance?

[Prince Kassad]

Prince Kassad are you related in any way to First Crusader by any chance?

Excellent observation! I'm not related, but I know him personally. He was the one who introduced me to TW.

Lol calling civil rights lawyers greedy power mongers, I don't know what planet your living on but all lawyers are greedy power mongers my friend.

Perhaps you're right. Which would mean we need to take the movement out of the hands of the lawyers and into the hands of people who actually care about equal rights.

[John I Tzimisces]

If you'd ask me, neither the Republicans nor Democrats really care about or do anything for minorities. The democrats just so happen to be lucky enough to get the minority vote based on traditions of voting.

[Francisco Montana]

In early 18th century Britain and America, Christianity almost died. Not due to persecution, war, or another faith. It was almost destroyed by itself.

This happens with many ideas. When it first starts, it is revolutionary and cutting edge. But when the fires of enthusiasm die down, and starts to become more of a tradition than a belief, bad things start to happen.

Luckily for Christianity, the Great Awakening (AKA Methodist Reformatio in Britain) came along and got everyone excited again.

I think that tradition versus belief problem is starting to affect many liberal ideas that were originally good.

Take equal rights for example. In the 50s and 60s, this was cutting edge and many people truly believed in it and fought for it.

But now, despite countless government regulations, lawsuits, workplace quotas, litigation, intense media propaganda, the whole thing has become a sick joke. Everybody supposedly believes it, but everyone is just "going through the motions". Many of the equal rights movements now have been exposed as corrupt institutions who are only trying to increase the power and advantages of their own race.

Interestingly, this trend can be seen extremely clearly in the Star Trek saga.

When the show first started in the 60s, the civil rights movement was just getting started, and wasn't supported by law, the media, or even the majority of the population. The whole thing was "persecuted", if you will.

To show his daring ideas on racial equality, the founder of the show, Gene Rodenberry, loaded the cast with people of all races. Though Capt. Kirk was white, he was literally surrounded by people of all races; a scottish engineer (Scotty), oriental navigator (Sulu), Russian ensign (Checkoff), and the list goes on.

Now compare this with the modern Star Trek shows. Now there are scads of laws, legions of equal rights lawyers, and workplace quotas.

Just to show they care about equal rights, the producers just stick a few minorities in the cast, and have everybody else be white people. In the "Next Generation", they were too lazy to even do that - instead of trying to find real races, they just made up a bunch of imaginary aliens and robots to fill the bridge and engine room.

When I think of an older person or milestone in the civil rights movement, I think of Gene Rodenberry, Gerry Anderson, Martin Luther King, and even George Patton! All impressive, talented people, most of whom seriously believed in this idea.

Now think of the modern civil rights movement. Just a bunch of preachy, hypocritical lawyers and professors who are only doing it for the attention (and $$$) they get out of it.

I think the equal rights movement is destroying itself, which would explain larger numbers of blacks and jews are starting to vote more to the right.

Most of the modern equal rights doctrines are actually causing racial tension, instead of healing it. Just look at affirmative action and the reparations blowhards are demanding.

So unless the liberals take their heads out of the sand, and start reigning back these power mongers posing as equal rights advocates, we won't be seeing any more real progress in equal rights.

Its actually kind of ironic really. Martin Luther King is a hero, but all of the people who claim to love him are actually doing the opposite of what he said.

That was very well put, Prince Kassad. It's true, alot of black americans are beginning to see the traps that socialism sets up for minorities. Liberals tell blacks they can't possibley do it on their own, while republicans are suggesting we all need to be self sufficient.

Yes, we all want to give people a helping hand in time of need, but you cannot possiblly think someone should hold your hand your whole life.

Look at what happened in N.O. All those govt programs (N.O. is probably the most 'entitlement' driven govt in the nation)>

All those govt programs did what? Left the people compltely incapable of fending for themselves.

Socialism had taken away their instincts for survival and turned them into surf-voting blocks.

The more blacks realize they are being taken for granted by the Left for power, the more they will start looking to the GOP for shelter.

Good stuff, Prince Kassad.

[the_mango55]

Good post (to the original poster). I don't agree with all of it, but it was good. I don't get the Star Trek thing though. I mean, look at Deep Space Nine, the freaking Captain is black.

[Emperor Dimitricus]

i dont claim to know much about rascism in america. i only know what i studied in school, and that was only about america in the 60's.
but in great britain, here is the general picture: the government seems to be making everything easy for minorities, giving them free houses, jobs, benefits if they dont want jobs etc...there are dozens of laws protecting their rights. and for a while, most white people accepted them as equals.
But now the story is different. they tend to get treated alot better than us native white brits. true, most of the upper class is white, but then thats mostly down to their ancestors. but the upper class make up a very small minority of people in thie country. the white working class is bitter against the minorites now. we do not get as much as they do, and we are not given the same legal protection as they do.
And what do the minorites do about it? continue their crusade. they still file law suits against rascism, still claim that every little thing we do is rascist towards them. if a white guy attacks a black guy, its a rascist assault. if a black guy attacks a white guy, its simply assault. it seems that there is no such thing as a black man being rascist in the eyes of the law. i call a black person a ******. i get locked away. the same black man calls me milk-boy (yes british black people are strange...) and he's being totally friendly about it.
it is clear to see now why there is such resentment from the white people towards the minorities in this country.

[Guderian]

To show his daring ideas on racial equality, the founder of the show, Gene Rodenberry, loaded the cast with people of all races. Though Capt. Kirk was white, he was literally surrounded by people of all races; a scottish engineer (Scotty), oriental navigator (Sulu), Russian ensign (Checkoff), and the list goes on.

I agree, Gene was great at stuff like that, very subtle hehe he even touched on the subject of interacial relationships...

Just to show they care about equal rights, the producers just stick a few minorities in the cast, and have everybody else be white people. In the "Next Generation", they were too lazy to even do that - instead of trying to find real races, they just made up a bunch of imaginary aliens and robots to fill the bridge and engine room.

It is Star Trek after all, what do you expect? I don't really see your point other than trying to mislead naive "conservatives"

[EDIT] I just remembered it was Gene who cast the crew of the Next generation, it was during the second (or was it third) season that he died. Also Star Trek ran out of plots shortly after DS9...explaining the rubbish that is Voyager and Enterprise.

I think the equal rights movement is destroying itself, which would explain larger numbers of blacks and jews are starting to vote more to the right.

Most of the modern equal rights doctrines are actually causing racial tension, instead of healing it. Just look at affirmative action and the reparations blowhards are demanding.

So unless the liberals take their heads out of the sand, and start reigning back these power mongers posing as equal rights advocates, we won't be seeing any more real progress in equal rights.

Its actually kind of ironic really. Martin Luther King is a hero, but all of the people who claim to love him are actually doing the opposite of what he said.

I disagree with the whole thing, most people are voting for the right out of fear of terrorism. Something the right has greatly used to it's advantage and continues to do so.

Lol calling civil rights lawyers greedy power mongers, I don't know what planet your living on but all lawyers are greedy power mongers my friend. And you do remind me alot of First Crusader...