traits.

**palatinae** · August 31, 2010, 06:21 AM

i have played with the byzantine empire for a week..and i noticed something..i had my faction heir a conqueror...using him to conquer many cities..but when i take a settlement and allow him to rest for 1 turn...he got the trait and ancillary to be the governor of this settlement...so by taking many settlement...i found him the governor of half my empire !!..so any other character sent to this settlement"for example athens" wont be the governor..untill my faction heir dies

2nd the sponsorship...all the sponsorships are for my faction heir..that he is not married and have no biological son after him...and alot of sponsorships are offered...i think sponsorships should be delayed at least for that heir to be married and have a biological son then to adopt whoever he likes !!
or just sponsorships are for generals !!

**Kjertesvein** · August 31, 2010, 07:37 AM

Those "traits" which are shown with a picture are notmally called Retinue, while the list to the right are called Traits. Now. Place your heir and general you want as governor in the same stack, and just drag it from the heir over to that general. This works with governorship, swords and few more, but not with a crown and the royal banner. Those are permanent.

I also see this as a problem, which is why you should decline all adoption proposals, while recruiting alot of generals. After time, he should be able to get married and have kids. The family members (incl. princess' and babys) are hard-coded to the number of settlements you have

I even belive that Recruitable Generals should be close unlimited, and not restricted.

~Wille

**Taiji** · August 31, 2010, 09:01 AM

Sivilombudsmannen is correct on all counts. Just to clarify, an individual member of the retinue is called an ancillary. The land titles are all ancillaries. Many ancillaries can be exchanged between generals but some cannot. Each general can have a maximum of 8 ancillaries.

Adoptions and births, family member numbers are related to faction size which is determined by the number of provinces. Recruited generals, and the starting generals that are not family members, do not affect the amount of family members you can have. Adoptions do affect it and under most circumstances should be avoided if you want to maintain the royal blood.

If your family is stagnating, with no new births, then kill off the old folks while taking new territory.

**Kjertesvein** · August 31, 2010, 09:20 AM

In dHRR, they have unlimited RGs and it seems to work out just fine and dandy. FM can recruit levys, while RGs can recruit fuedal units. Is there still a limit to R.Generals in DLV?

~Wille

**palatinae** · August 31, 2010, 09:37 AM

sorry guys..i was sluggish..couldnt remember the word "retinue"..lol

exchange the retinue and ancillaries..u are kidding..lol...it is so realistic..as a faction heir could give the title "governor" to someone !!! awesome

**Taiji** · August 31, 2010, 10:17 AM

Yes, but don't give away someone's last title, they will not like it

**LaMuerte** · August 31, 2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Taiji

Yes, but don't give away someone's last title, they will not like it

More surprises coming , palatinae. You'll see soon enough...

**palatinae** · August 31, 2010, 02:49 PM

can someone explain to me..how to recruit merchants...i cant find the market buildings on the building browser and i have a grain exchange building in Constantinople and cant see it on the browser..also i cant build mines at Thessaloniki which is containing sulpher..do these building show up after sometimes..or higher population..?

Edit..i Knew about the mines coz my settlement is still small..

**LaMuerte** · September 01, 2010, 05:03 AM

You need to gain government points in order to build higher tier buildings in your town. There's a good guide stickied , which will explain most.

**SoulBlade** · September 01, 2010, 05:47 AM

And you need some jews. Not to sounds racist but you need 1% of the population to be jewish (religion wise).

**palatinae** · September 01, 2010, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by SoulBlade

And you need some jews. Not to sounds racist but you need 1% of the population to be jewish (religion wise).

i love jews..they are fine traders..and i am fine with them

**TaronQuinn** · September 01, 2010, 02:11 PM

I think that is meant to be a reflection of the Medieval Church's suppression of usury (lending of money for interest) by Christians. Not sure if this was only Catholics or if Orthodox also held usury as a sin/immoral activity. Thus, Jewish communities provided important financial services. The Templars later on did some banking, but not really significant in 12th century.

BUT...why do Muslims need the 1% Jewish too? I'm not familiar with Islam, let alone Medieval teachings, but did they also condemn usury? And if Muslims and Orthodox allowed their members to lend money, then shouldn't they be able to recruit merchants without that prerequisite?

TQ

**palatinae** · September 01, 2010, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by TaronQuinn

I think that is meant to be a reflection of the Medieval Church's suppression of usury (lending of money for interest) by Christians. Not sure if this was only Catholics or if Orthodox also held usury as a sin/immoral activity. Thus, Jewish communities provided important financial services. The Templars later on did some banking, but not really significant in 12th century.

BUT...why do Muslims need the 1% Jewish too? I'm not familiar with Islam, let alone Medieval teachings, but did they also condemn usury? And if Muslims and Orthodox allowed their members to lend money, then shouldn't they be able to recruit merchants without that prerequisite?

TQ

Jewish were present in time of Islam caliphate in the range of 1% to 2% and affected many fields as chemistry,geography, medicine and trade..i am sure about that since i live in the sultanate of misr..i mean Egypt..

also..some egyptian sultans used christian and Jewish as minister"wazier the arabic translation of minister"..in case u want to use them as retinue

Jewish didn't leave Egypt until the middle of the last century when the kingdom of Egypt was terminated and also after 1967 when Israel attacked Egypt the remaining Jewish community left the countery.

thank God the 15 % of the orthodox population are still here and remained unconverted

**TaronQuinn** · September 01, 2010, 08:15 PM

hmm, thats very interesting, I assume they're Coptic or are they mostly Orthodox? And is there still a Patriarch of Alexandria?

OK, that was off-topic haha.

But did Islamic merchants conduct most of the trade and banking services, cuz I seem to recall Mohammed talking about trade and commerce being good for the Muslim community, so I don't see why Islamic factions should have to build a synagogue in order to recruit Merchants. Maybe that's just a simple matter of editing the EDB to create a separate recrtuiment slot of Muslims without the "region religion jewish greater than 1" or whatever.

ANd I like the idea of a Jewish ancillary as an advisor. I might add that in for the Egypt and Hedjaz factions; adds acumen/piety to improve their governing, or maybe adds to tax income...something to think on.

TQ

**palatinae** · September 02, 2010, 04:27 AM

sure thing i am Coptic/orthodox and we still have a patriarch of Alexandria..it is the major group of Christians here...there a small group of Catholics and protestants as well..but Egypt is famous of her Coptic Church..the leader of the church is Pope Shenouda III of Alexandria.

I Guess building the Jewish buildings...and increasing their population against the will of ur people is just a challenge to recruit merchants...and yes Muslims established their trade system through their religious Books...but to some extent jewish played a good rule in the muslims caliphate..i recall that the last king of Egypt Built some synagogues for jewish population..but the matter of fact i doubt that every king and sultan tolerated to build other religions religious buildings like him

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may be the synagogue can be built in further versions with great increase in trade..like increasing it 200 + giving merchants new traits..and making merchants to be recruited away from it..but to be honest...jewish affecting merchantile and trade in the game is something awesome..lol..everyone read and know the merchant of venice

**Kjertesvein** · September 02, 2010, 08:35 AM

Many banks of Norway have a muslim option when renting money, that is, no intrestrates, only that you pay back 1 specific financial sum. This is also commen in Briton and on the continent, aswell as many middle eastern country. So yes, it's the same moral roadblock. Weather they did what the 11th century Christians or 16th century Christians did - I don't know.

~Wille