[citizen] ♔Mandelus♔ (patron: La♔De♔Da♔Brigadier Graham}INVALID

**Viking Prince** · August 31, 2010, 03:16 AM

My client requests full transparency please!
Kind Regards
Brig.

Patron Hello members of the CdeC..

I have the privileged to present to you ♔Mandelus♔, who I would like to be considered for the noble Rank of Citizen.
I met this chap some time ago when he was working on this mod:

GdC Improvement mod for NTW

This is a modest chap as he says that hes not really a modder. but his A.I improvements at the time were quite an inspiration to other modders.
But we are not asking for the rank of Artifex nor Civitate.. because in my opinion his contributions lie in the discussions areas of the Napoleon Total War forums and the Shogun 2 discussions areas.
Not your usual candidate that posts in the Debate areas in TWC, so I guess this is a non traditional candidate.. one of those candidates that could be missed I think?

The reason I think this chap should be given the rank of Citizen is because of these discussions and debates about various aspects of the TW gaming aspects, is because I think this fella adds cohesion to the discussions.. always polite and level headed in his reasoning.. and explains in depth about the subject in discussion.And does so with integrity and some vigor.
I think it is something to note that English isn't his mother tongue and he does seem to offer reasonable grammar and syntax in his arguments.
Ive always thought and admired members who can bring logic and balance to a discussion.. and thats why I have the pleasure of patronizing this chap and presenting him before the CdeC for your consideration please?
Yours Sincerely
La♔De♔Da♔Brigadier Graham

Client

Hello members of the CdeC,

I’m here to present my application to become citizenship in the TWC.

About my person:
I’m age 39, married and I have 2 sons (nearly 6 and the other 9 years old). I live in Cologne/ Germany, also sometimes in Poland of private and professional reasons.
I’m Chief Financial Officer (CFO) in a food company which delivers to hotels and luxury hotels around the world.

My TW activities in general:
I play since 2001 TW games with some pausing between of course, for example the birth of my 2. Son, but in general I’m a player who knows TW games from Shogun 1 on.

I’m senior moderator ("Daddy Mandelus"

) and staff member in the German Total War – Zone and there also very busy at this job.

www.totalwar-zone.de

The German TWZ is big with more than 11.000 members and like TWC too, sometimes a “Kinder garden” with such a bunch of members, but the TWZ is not international and only of German language. Also I have to remark that many well known members of TWZ are well known and active members of TWC too, for example “Swiss Halberdier” the developer of the AUM or “Amon Amarth 930”, or “alpaca” or at least “Primergy” who are also well known modders here in TWC.

My TWC activities:
I’m since March 2009 member of the TWC, which is as every reasoned TW fan knows, the core of the TW society in the world and development centre of most Mods. I went later to TWC as to TWZ and the reason is simple, my English had become rusty with learning further way French and Polish language of business reasons and also of private reasons (my wife is from Poland). But this changed last year and even my English is not the best as I know by myself, I don’t feel anymore afraid to write in English; also I always try to improve it.

In TWC I’m mostly inside the discussions at ETW, NTW and Shogun 2. Here I try to do my best as TWC member at the discussions and not only because being staff member in another big board, I have always my rules how to write and what to write in term of honesty and courtesy. Also my principle concern at any discussion is always to give help and to share information’s and knowledge. My principles are too that no one is forced to agree with someone and it could be discussed about it, but always you have to accept and respect the other opinion(s) and the person(s) behind it. I think my post’s show this at least which can be found. Here are several examples of threads and posts from me of the last few weeks:

No one is without fault or sin and so I’m also not.
Of course I have incurred no infractions on TWC as far as I know and I'm always aware not to do so, also not in my deepest passion and I always try to stay within the rules of the Terms of service (remember, I'm also moderator somewhere else, although I am passionate about certain aspects of the total War series as can be seen here in post 86
Link

I’m not really a modder by myself and I will not name myself in this way, because this will too high rated. I made with my GdC Team a NTW Mod where I was responsible for AI improvements, but I stopped modding for myself for several private reasons. Here is the link to the thread of the release here in TWC:

GdC Improvement mod for NTW

My modding activities are at least now only at the DMUC

Darthmod Ultimate commander by Darth_Vader) where I’m member in the development team.

DMUC contibutions:

DMUC Contributions
DMUC Contributions

And as "bad example" where I started a Naval FAQ which is on Ice after being nearly ready, because I lost all things with my hard disk of the LapTop crashed:

DMUC Contributions

I think it will be also a good example, because I'm still working again on it with the new DMUC Version now, which made some changes in naval warfare too.

Finally I like social memberships much and I think they are an important part of any community at least.
I Like the TWC very much and even being staff member in another big TW forum is for me no matter of conflicts of interests or something like this. The TWZ is the German home for me and the TWC my international home and because TW games are international games, the importance of TWC is for me as high as at TWZ.
So I would like to ask to become the honour of citizenship in the TWC and I hope that I meet the conditions in the eyes of the council.

Thank you very much for your time and attention
♔Mandelus♔

**Justinian** · August 31, 2010, 08:13 AM

Looks pretty solid right off the bat, I'll have to look into him some more.

**Legio** · August 31, 2010, 08:17 AM

I offered this guy citizenship in the past. Even then he had a solid application. It's obvious I'll be voting yes, haha.

**Hesus de bodemloze** · August 31, 2010, 01:39 PM

What did he do? Did he create the 6.2 patch? And about the other links i am not able to look in to them as they are dev forums in which i have no access.

**Legio** · August 31, 2010, 01:57 PM

GDC MOD: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...&highlight=GdC
Design and supervision: Mandelus
Work on the AI: Mandelus

DarthMod Team Thread:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=360447
listed as beta tester

We still need to get links or copy pastes of the dev forum posts.

**Leonidas The Lion** · August 31, 2010, 02:05 PM

Gonna look into this tonight.

**Belisarius** · August 31, 2010, 02:13 PM

Most of those links are restricted for me.

**Mega Tortas de Bodemloze** · September 01, 2010, 03:20 AM

Wow, more intricate modder stuff. I'll go peek at the basics....

**Leonidas The Lion** · September 01, 2010, 06:30 AM

I'm very pleased with what I was able to see. Now all that remains is for the dev posts.

**Legio** · September 01, 2010, 02:38 PM

Dear members of CdeC,

of course I'm intrested in the discussion about my application to become citizen membership (it would be a lie to say the contrary).

I hope this PM is no violation of any rule in term that it is not allowed during my running application. Sorry if it is, but I haver no knowledge about ...

I read that you have no access to see my posts in the DMUC Developer area. I thought you all have a general access in the forum, so my mistake with the links to this closed area and a deep sorry about this.

My "job" in this area is to be a betatester of the DMUC Mods. Therefore I write any things that are not running well in my tests and so on. Beside this I give some proposals and being member of the internal discussion and so on.
Finally my big work there in the moment is, as told in my application, to write an instruction and game play help for naval battles in ETW and particularly with DMUC. This will be at least a little book including pictures, replays when ready and depending on the time that the "real life" will give me to do, it will be ready in several weeks.
I do not mod myself at DMUC or being part of the team who is modding, creating submods, making improvements and working on the files and so on.

If usefull, whished or demanded, I can give you of course as quote some posts of me in this closed area by PM ot otherway.

Finally again sorry if I made with this PM any violation of a rule by posting to a member to CdeC during my running application.
I read only that you have no access to the "intermal DMUC area" and saw a needing to write in this matter to prevent any missunderstanding.

Thank you very much and greetings
Mandelus

P.S.
Sorry if my English has errors or is not clear enough.

**Hesus de bodemloze** · September 01, 2010, 03:33 PM

My "job" in this area is to be a betatester of the DMUC Mods.

I know they are a respected part of every Mod that uses beta testers as these are the people who hunt down any flaws and bugs in the mod. But for me this isn't really a contribution.

Finally my big work there in the moment is, as told in my application, to write an instruction and game play help for naval battles in ETW and particularly with DMUC.

This is an other thing that concerns me as these guides aren't jet released we are not able to give an opinion on them and therefore an invalid contribution until release to public.

Now on the positive side, his last threads and discussions links just speak for them selves, they are well worded and contribute in many ways so this is definitely a big plus.

I will go a little deeper in this applicant's posts before voicing my final vote.

**Mega Tortas de Bodemloze** · September 01, 2010, 04:03 PM

Citizenship is sometimes awarded to a few folks over in the D&D {Debate&Discussion Forums} for immaculate posting and not necessarily many in number. Well what about extending the same courtesy over to the modding side of the house?

Now as to the applicants hands on modding, quantifiable, efforts I can't testify but to this I can....

The applicant is articulate, engaging, and genuinely concerned about the modding community here at TWC. His threads are well presented {illustrations included} and thought out. His actively participates in the discussions and gives as good as he gets.

The applicant has laid a very stable foundation here and I see nothing to indicate that it that his contributions here should wane.

If this Gentleman were posting over in the D&D I would strip the badge off myself just to make sure that he was expediently taken care of. So in that spirit I will gladly cast a yes vote for this duffer...

Bust my thought process if you can....

...

**Legio** · September 01, 2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Kitty von Bodemloze

Citizenship is sometimes awarded to a few folks over in the D&D {Debate&Discussion Forums} for immaculate posting and not necessarily many in number. Well what about extending the same courtesy over to the modding side of the house?

Now as to the applicants hands on modding, quantifiable, efforts I can't testify but to this I can....

The applicant is articulate, engaging, and genuinely concerned about the modding community here at TWC. His threads are well presented {illustrations included} and thought out. His actively participates in the discussions and gives as good as he gets.

The applicant has laid a very stable foundation here and I see nothing to indicate that it that his contributions here should wane.

If this Gentleman were posting over in the D&D I would strip the badge off myself just to make sure that he was expediently taken care of. So in that spirit I will gladly cast a yes vote for this duffer...

Bust my thought process if you can....

...

Let me tell you a story, Mega.

Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away, a young Legio was a junior moderator in the Empire: Total War section of the boards. The mean streets of ETW General Discussion City were slick with blood and infested with footpads. Few gave mercy, and none asked for it by name. They were indeed dark days, days full of over 2000 post deletions in one day, days of 8 six pointers in 12 hours, and days when nefarious members would even post pornographic imagery in the midst of a serious discussion about the uniform color of the Spanish faction.

But one day, a star was born, like the JayZ song. This man was Mandelus. The day he joined, March 15 of 2009, was the day he started to post in ETW. And by god, he was one of the best posters I ever saw in that forum from DAY ONE. And he still is.

He was always helpful. Always with thoughtful and insightful posts. He did not live in any of the three rant threads we've had so far. He has a spotless moderation record. He mods. He is a

ing gem.

But Legio! This is what we expect of other members, it's not special!

FIE I SAY.

He was the poster in ETW. In a forum where spam, infractions, and even bans were everyday, he was the perfect gentleman. He still is.

Ladies and gentlemen of the CdeC, I implore you to stand by me and vote yes on this applicant. Ride with me! Ride for RUIN

AND THE RED DAWN

DEEEEEEEEATTTTTTHHHHHHHHH

**Pontifex Maximus** · September 01, 2010, 06:32 PM

I consider betatesting to be a contribution to a mod team. I'm leaning towards yes at this point but I've only given this a little more than a glance up to this point. I'll be taking a closer look but with this much modded material already out I don't think I will find any reason to vote no.

**Viking Prince** · September 01, 2010, 08:51 PM

I agree with Ponti on this one. We have a collection of good but marginal contributions. It is enough to lean towards voting yes, but I am not certain it is enough. A bit more focus on a single area of contribution would be nice.

**Pontifex Maximus** · September 01, 2010, 08:55 PM

Issue.

I can't view four of the links he uses to link to his modded material. That means all I have to go off of is his one released mini mod/ Darth Mod contribution. Now the problem is that I feel that he hasn't quite reached the level of contribution we look for. I think this application came a bit early.

**Viking Prince** · September 02, 2010, 12:51 AM

This pm was slid under the door in the middle of the night. I do not have time to digest at the moment, but in the interests of the public record I shall post:

Originally Posted by La♔De♔Da♔Brigadier Graham

Have also sent this to kitty and Pontifex sir.

To the CdeC

Hello Honourable members of the CdeC ... could you please pass this along to the CdeC please and possibly post on the transparency thread?

Regarding Mandelus Citizenship application... may I point out that we are not asking for Citizenship on his modding contributions, they are to supplement the application., as I mentioned in my letter.

This is a modest chap as he says that hes not really a modder. but his A.I improvements at the time were quite an inspiration to other modders.
But we are not asking for the rank of Artifex nor Civitate.. because in my opinion his contributions lie in the discussions areas of the Napoleon Total War forums and the Shogun 2 discussions areas.

I have highlighted the relevant part that is applicable.
I patronized my client because of his contributions in this area, very much in the same way I forwarded Didz application to Belisarius in this application as he similarly contributed in the discussions area of ETW and not the usual avenues such as the debate areas like the VV or the political mudpit, and as has been mentioned... Mandelus contributions in this area speaks for themselves really... quality and clarity and sense of purpose.

(8-0-0) Poll: [PASSED] [Citizen] Didz (Patron: Belisarius) November 30th 2009

As for providing links, well... I noticed in a few application remarks have been made about applicants mentioning that they are part of a Development team and the CdeC asks for proof of this.
The thing is though.. the links that were provided are in a development forum that the CdeC has no access to.. I was unaware that the CdeC would not be able to gain access. perhaps going forward a procedure for this might be applicable .

DMUC Contributions
DMUC Contributions
DMUC Contributions

However I am not sure if the contributions or conversations are sensitive material.. meaning this may be about unreleased material?
would permission be Needed by members of the CdeC to access these threads. (I am a member of that development team and I have access)
I wouldn't dream of posting material that has yet to be released to the public without permission.
I can post his contributions in this aspect from those threads if they are need to bolster his application but personally I think they may not be needed.
However as a beta-tester surely as Pontifex indicates this is
a contribution in itself.
Once again though I would kindly remind the CdeC his modding contributions were not the focus of this application, but his contributions in discussions areas of NTW and shogun2, although going further back you will see he has contributed a lot more than the links to the quality discussions than has been provided.Although I always thought that quality posts were preferable to quantity.
Thanks for you attention in this matter.

I hope this helps the CdeC.
Kindest Regards

Brigadier Graham

**Viking Prince** · September 02, 2010, 01:44 AM

I still need to more digging, but the comparison with Didz does not work. There is no comparison within the Historical Research Center between the two candidates. My support for Didz rested in large part on his contributions within that forum.

Our current candidate has a huge bulk of his posts in two areas: General Discussion and Darth Mod. The posts in the Darth Mod are obviously tied to the modding contributions. And I do count this with the mod as a contribution. I also assume there are other fine posts that I cannot see in the hidden dev forum as well. In the end though, this is still a fairly narrow contribution, but a good start on citizenship.

I cannot see any distinctive series of posts in the General Discussion that would merit citizen though.

I am not suggesting that his posts are poor or in any manner a demerit. I do judge D&D contributions a bit harsher than some though since I look for thread starts and how the thread is maintained to continue the discussion with more than just opinion. Popping in for a post or a series of posts in a thread not started also counts. In both cases I am looking for facts and logic backed by sources. I am not seeing this yeet in this application.

I will continue my search though.

**Legio** · September 02, 2010, 08:27 AM

but...but...my endorsement!

**Pontifex Maximus** · September 02, 2010, 08:28 AM

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