all i know is that i am a direct dissendent of the last pagan king of ireland
Decanus
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all i know is that i am a direct dissendent of the last pagan king of ireland
Senator
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did a bit more research this is what i found out
The surname of McANDREW was a baptismal name 'the son of Andrew' meaning manly. The name was originally derived from the Gaelic MacAindreis. Early records of the name mention Andrew (without surname) was a monk of Dunfermline, and became bishop of Caithness in the reign of David I. Willelmus McAnderewe, of Yorkshire, was listed in the Yorkshire Poll Tax of 1379. Thomas Andreu was the vicar of Briston in County Norfolk, in the year 1442. Malcolm MacAndree was a tenant of the bishop of Aberdeen in 1511. Thomas Fuller and Elizabeth Andrewes were married in London in the year 1619. The name was a very popular font name in the 12th century in Scotland, but it soon became widespread all over England and Europe. This Scottish and English surname is in Ireland in all the provinces since the early seventeenth century and is now numerous in Dublin and north-east Ulster. It has been sometimes used as a synonym of MacAndrew, and that name was found frequently in medieval records. Ireland was one of the earliest countries to evolve a system of hereditary surnames. They came into being fairly generally in the 11th century, and indeed a few were found before the year 1000. The Irish prefixes of Mac (son of) and O (grandson or descendant of) gave rise at an early date, to a set of fixed hereditary names in which the literal patronymic meaning was lost or obscured. These surnames originally signified membership of a clan, but with the passage of time, the clan system became less distinct, and surnames came to identify membership of what is called a 'sept' of people all living in the same locality, all bearing the same surname, but not necessarily descended from a common ancestor. Adoption of the name by people who did not otherwise have a surname and by their dependents was not uncommon. Later, nicknames were in some cases to supersede the original clan names. The associated arms are recorded in Sir Bernard Burkes General Armory. Ulster King of Arms in 1884.
Miles
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I've made my own research:
My father's ancestors didn't move from the area surrounding Empúries and Girona, in northern Catalonia (that's Spain for those who don't know this place) as far as I could investigate (which reaches 1497, the day a guy named Galceran de la Torre married a woman called Enriqueta Batallós / Batallosa; I couldn't follow Galceran's traces anymore). I guess they arrived at the area after the Catalan Civil War of 1470.
On mother's side, I descend from Valencian burghers, and given my partially moorish-like aspect, they probably come from Berberic families.
Of course, I'm counting those two lines only. Only looking at my grand-grandparents (all eight of them) there are two peasants, a farmer, a nobleman from Barcelona and his maid (who got pregnant and fired, in that order), a burgher couple from Castelló de la Plana, north of València, and a woman from Zaragoza.
This woman is daughter of one of King Alfonso XIII's secretaries, who went to exile along with the ex-king and there he spent all his fortune gambling and whoring (is it even a verb in English?). Then he came back to Spain and lived in Barcelona in poverty, until he became some kind of gangster. My mother's family still enjoy the fortune he made thanks to dubious means.
I could write my own series of novels. Like Ken Follett.
"Déu és beure bé, menjar fresc i llevar-se a les deu"
(God is to drink well, to eat fresh and to wake up at ten)
------ from the Catalan "Inquisition Trials Archive"
Cèsar de Quart
Europe 1200 Team Member
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I dont know anything about my lineage and I don't care about it anyway, but a couple of months ago, I saw a chart trying to show how the prophet Muhammad was linked to the different royal families in the later kingdoms of europe. Does anyone have this? - a 1000 internets if you could post it here, or PM it to me
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Are you talking about in this forum? I've seen a few articles by historians and genealogists who have done this. Here is one genealogy that I know of which is not disputed:Originally Posted by Mads
I dont know anything about my lineage and I don't care about it anyway, but a couple of months ago, I saw a chart trying to show how the prophet Muhammad was linked to the different royal families in the later kingdoms of europe. Does anyone have this? - a 1000 internets if you could post it here, or PM it to me
Sorry for the inconvenience.
We had a discussion about this topic in this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...83#post8316083Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
EDIT: I've also seen it a genealogy proving that all the European royalty are descended from the Han Chinese Emperors via a sequence of royal marriages over about 1300 years which go China to Persia to Armenia to The Eastern Roman Empire to The Holy Roman Empire to the rest of Europe.
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Maybe this can interest you, Sean:
http://www.losttothewest.com/?p=162
Semisalis
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Pretty tenuous...
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𐤇𐤂𐤁
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Yeah, but it honestly presents the Melisenna/Melusine connection as tenuous. That kind of thing is still interesting as a starting point if someone should feel inclined to try to definitively prove or disprove it.
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I didnt remember which forum it was, and I couldnt find it, so i thought this would be the place to request it. Thanks a lot.
It's a joke
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check my sig -funny but true, and the team can probably vouch that its a hereditary trait
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Maybe part of a dinastic ancillary.
It's a joke
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lol
Libertus
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I've been a long-time lurker on the forum. Thought this thread was interesting so I thought I'd throw in what I know of my family history.
Despite my name "Christophoros" I'm not by any means Greek. My father's family -- as far as I could trace them -- were a knighted family in Normandy. The first record is of a "Guy d'Vytienson" around 1050, and in the domesday book there was a "Guy d'Vitienson" in England. Though there's no factual proof, I'd say that someone in the family either fought in William the Conqueror's invasion, or migrated shortly afterward. Solid evidence of descendants is lacking for the next few generations until there is a strand of others: Richard d'Wittenston, and then a Guy Wittington. Knowing a bit about the changes in the English language over the years, the changes in the family name fro Vytienson to Wittington holds with the changes in English -- not to mention spelling wasn't a necessity for the average person.
From the above-mentioned, the famous Dick Wittington in British lore (Sir Richard Wittington) was the brother of one of my direct ancestors. From what else I've discovered, those sons of sons of William Wittington (Richard's brother) were all Catholic, and when the civil war broke out in England they remained Catholic. When the Catholics lost out, my family was kicked out of England -- stripped of their heraldic titles/coats -- and sent to America. My great-grandfathers lived in Maryland for a few hundred years and then traveled with Daniel Boone to Kentucky where my family is now. Up until me (and I feel a bit guilty for it) all of my forefathers have remained Catholic -- including my own father and his brothers. And it's a bit of an important thing. The current spelling of my last name is Wethington, though apparently my great-grandfather is quoted as saying: "I was born a Wittington, and I'll be damned if I don't die as one" when the rest of the family opted to change it for whatever reason. So, I suppose I can call my ancestors (on my father's side) English-Norman-and most likely even Viking -- since Vikings settled in Normandy a few decades before Williams' invasion.
On my mother's side: Her maiden name is Prather, which I couldn't find too much on other than several possibilities: it's Welsh or German, and if German is a place name marking the town of Prath in Germany. I like to pretend that it's Welsh and perhaps a mispronunciation of Praetor; I'm a Roman/Byzantine history fan, so it's nice to think that maybe someone way back when was a Roman haha. Of course, I know statistically there probably was someone. Anyway, I enjoyed reading everyone else's posts. I find family history to be fascinating; just to imagine that my ancestors were living when Caesar marched through Gaul, or when Charlemagne defended it from the Moors.
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So where do you all get your infos concerning your ancestry from? Would like to do some researches for myself, but I really don't know where I should start.
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Well, the most usual method is going to a parish church, and then ask to see the archive where the baptised are registered. From there you can follow the hints (in the baptism record the parents are reflected) through generations. Probably, you will have to change from one parish to another to follow the hints. Good luck!
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Father's Side:
Grandfather: he is of Portuguese ancestry. His grandfather lived in Guimarães, northern Portugal, where the family had been living in for generations. We are descendents of Dom Paio Soares Pinto, an 11th century Portuguese knight influential in the court of the Dukes of Portugal. It's one of the oldest and most prestigious noble families, although by the 19th century we were just relatively poor commoners. Fun fact: when my great-great-grandfather came to Brazil, he brought along his brother with him. However, the brother disembarked in Rio, while my ancestor in Santos. The two branches of Pinto would not meet until the next generation. A member of the Rio branch was Minister of Justice. I still have family in Guimarães and one of my "cousins" was elected mayor some time ago.
Grandmother: We have a genealogical tree going back ten generations (17/18th century) although we have information prior to this. Accordingly, the first Abbud was a Christian living in Cappadocia. The Abbud had to leave due to political pressures of Ottoman Sultan Selim II in 1566. They went to Armenia (Cilician) and eventually went down to Homs, in Syria. The first recorded ancestor is named Butrus. He fathered several children; the eldest one called Elias. Elias named his son Butrus and he named his Elias. Then came another Butrus (who is not my ancestor anymore), but he only fathered a daughter, who he insisted on calling Elias. The record ends here, as the females don't count. The Abbuds had a Muslim and a Christian branch. The Christian family moved to Brazil in the late 19th century and Mathilde, daughter of my great-great-grandfather Liam, married an Ackel (no idea from where they are).
Mother's side:
Grandfather: Entirely Italian. My great-great-grandfather moved in from Calabria (Southwestern Italian peninsula). We were peasents, but the family were once nobles since we have a coat-of-arms.
Grandmother: Some dudes came over from Lebanon, more specifically Tyre, in the early 1900's. They didn't even now where Brazil was, but they got a ship anyways.
Senator
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Obviously, this only works if you're Christian. My uncle, my father and myself are still planning to go to Istanbul to check the military archives for more information about our family.
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Libertus
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A lot of the information I had was from my grandmother who had inherited stuff from my father's mother. I used her basic outline and then made an account on ancestry.com (it's a bit expensive, though) and used it for about a month intensively to check birth/death/census records in the US. Then, since I knew my father's family was Catholic and came from England, I searched church records in England and eventually also went to a local library to find a copy of the Domesday Book to search through it. I would recommend, if you can, to ask your grandparents/great-grandparents. If they aren't living, try and ask great-uncles/aunts -- any family members; you'll be surprised what they know sometimes. And then work from there. I was amused to find that my Dad and his uncles all called their grandfather Jim Gib, and they didn't know his real name (Edward Gibbons W.) until I found it. So, you can definitely come across some interesting stuff.
Biarchus
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I'm mainly English, but I have 1/8th greek, 1/8th spanish and some German too, but with being English, that means I have all kinds of blood anyway lol.
Whilst I don't know much of my actual blood ancestry, as not much is known at all about my dead generations, I have done quite alot of research on my family name itself, which is Olney.
I have never met anyone with the same last name as me that wasn't related to me, I live in a big town and have been many places all over the UK. I had known of a town that is the same as my last name here in England. I know that my last name was also used as a word that meant a 'glade' or a 'meadow' in olde english.
This indicated to me that it could be one of the old practices, i.e people being named according to either their profession or from which town they came from, which would explain why my last name is not very common at all. But it could also mean the town was named after who it belonged too, my family name would have not been spelt Olney back then, the spelling changed over time according to the language and how we pronounced our words to how we spelt them.
I was left wondering where exactly did my name come from. I researched about the town itself first and found out what was there hundreds of years ago would have been a Manor, a local village, a market and farmlands and it belonged to the Earls of Chester at one point, so an indication that it could have always belonged to someone of power and/or wealth and was perhaps established in the Anglo-Saxon era.
This gave me clue that my name must definately have been very old, I had researched more on my name itself and found it is written in Olde English in different variations like "Ollaneg" during the 6th century and earlier, it is definately Anglo-Saxon of origin. This also meant that the town could have gained its name from a man.
I searched more on the name itself with what knowledge I had already uncovered and found my ancestors were most likely from Scandinavia and the south of England itself where I reside now. A variation of my last name is also found in northern france, which indicates the name most definately derived from a Scandinavian word or name, seeing as 'vikings' also settled at the north of france.
I also read that in the 15th a century, a John Olney was the Mayor of London, which is where my family ( the living ones lol ) come from, only moved just outside of London after WW2 because all of their homes and schools were bombed to the ground.
Well, that is just my English blood, I don't have any idea about my spanish, greek or german blood, other than that my grandfathers father was greek and he died young, my other grandads mother was spanish gypsy of blood and one of my grandmothers had german blood, I don't know any of the names.
I think it's safe to say, we must all have so many ancestors that we can only dream of knowing stuff about. If you even managed to read all of this and aren't bored to death, I applaud you.
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