Education system not working in 6.3?

**caralampio** · August 30, 2010, 08:56 AM

Aside from making the wantseducation trait hidden, and that now it lasts 16 turns, what has changed in the education system? I ask because I have been unable to get any education traits despite leaving my characters in the proper settlements for years and years.

**Meneth** · August 30, 2010, 09:28 AM

Here's all the triggers for Western Education (I think most of the triggers for the other educations are the same):

Code:

;--------------------------------------------
Trigger Inspiring_teacher_western
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and FatherTrait AncillaryTeacher >= 1 

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 100

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Trigger Western_Edu_school
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 1
       and SettlementBuildingExists = school

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 25

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Trigger Western_Edu_school_library
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu <= 2
       and SettlementBuildingExists = school
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= library

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 33

;--------------------------------------------
Trigger Western_Edu_university
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 4
       and SettlementBuildingExists = university

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 33

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Trigger Western_Edu_university_library
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 4
       and SettlementBuildingExists = university
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= library

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 50

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Trigger Western_Edu_greatuniversity
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 4
       and SettlementBuildingExists > university

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 50

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Trigger Western_Edu_greatuniversity_library
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 4
       and SettlementBuildingExists > university
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= library

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 75

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Trigger Worthy_Of_Adoption_Western_Ed
 WhenToTest OfferedForAdoption

 Condition CharacterReligion catholic
       and Trait GovernorInclination = 1 

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 50

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Trigger Worthy_Of_Marriage_Western_Ed
 WhenToTest OfferedForMarriage

 Condition CharacterReligion catholic
       and Trait GovernorInclination = 1 

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 75
 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 50
 Affects WantsHigherEd 1 Chance 10 

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Trigger Western_Edu_university_old
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait Wantschool < 1
       and Trait Western_Edu < 3
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= university

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 5

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Trigger Western_Edu_HighEd
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and CharacterReligion catholic
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and Trait WantsHigherEd = 1
       and Trait Western_Edu > 2
       and Trait Western_Edu < 11
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= university
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= library

 Affects Western_Edu 1 Chance 75

So you can get a Standard Education if you have a university, and an Advanced Education if your general wants higher education (I.E., has the Scholar trait)

**caralampio** · August 30, 2010, 09:56 AM

Yes, but I should be able to get a military education in a castle, which is not happening.

The education triggers and traits are practically the same as in 6.1, except that the wantsschool trait has been changed to have 16 threshold. Meaning, I think, that characters are now trainable for 15 turns instead of 5. I don't know if this has anything to do with it.

BTW I don't know why the trait has been made hidden. I believed that education had been dropped entirely in SS 6.3 until one day navigating through my favorite file, export_descr_character_traits, I noticed that it was still there. True, the titles (junior, senior, sophomore etc) are not very medieval, but they were useful to know where you character stood. Right now a player has no way of knowing that he should try to educate his general. Change the titles, and leave them unhidden, says us.

**Meneth** · August 30, 2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by caralampio

Yes, but I should be able to get a military education in a castle, which is not happening.

Here's the triggers:

Code:

;--------------------------------------------
Trigger Military_Edu_castle1
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and not FactionType cumans
       and not FactionType lithuania 
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and SettlementBuildingExists = wooden_castle

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 25

;--------------------------------------------
Trigger Military_Edu_castle2
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and Trait Wantschool >= 1
       and not FactionType cumans
       and not FactionType lithuania 
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= castle

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 33
 Affects LogisticalSkill 1 Chance 5

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Trigger Worthy_Of_Adoption_Military_Ed
 WhenToTest OfferedForAdoption

 Condition Trait MilitaryInclination = 1 
       and not FactionReligion pagan

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 50 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 25 

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Trigger Worthy_Of_Marriage_Military_Ed
 WhenToTest OfferedForMarriage

 Condition Trait MilitaryInclination = 1 
       and not FactionReligion pagan

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 50 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 25 

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Trigger Lesser_General_Adoption_Military_Ed
 WhenToTest LesserGeneralOfferedForAdoption

 Affects MilitaryInclination 1 Chance 100
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 75 
 Affects WantsHigherEd 1 Chance 5 

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Trigger StandardBattle_ClearVictory
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and BattleSuccess = clear
       and I_ConflictType Normal
       and BattleOdds < 1.75

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 50 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 5

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Trigger StandardBattle_CrushingVictory
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and BattleSuccess = crushing
       and I_ConflictType Normal
       and BattleOdds < 1.51

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 85 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 15

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Trigger Battle_HeroicBattleCommander
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and PercentageEnemyKilled > 25
       and BattleOdds < 0.51

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 100
 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 75
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 20 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Battle_Ambush
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and I_ConflictType SuccessfulAmbush
       and BattleOdds < 1.51

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 25 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 50

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Battle_WiseTacticalCommander
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and BattleSuccess > close
       and BattleOdds > 0.70
       and BattleOdds < 1.50
       and PercentageOfArmyKilled < 20

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 80

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Trigger Battle_BrilliantTacticalCommander
 WhenToTest PostBattle

 Condition IsGeneral
       and WonBattle
       and BattleSuccess > close
       and BattleOdds < 0.70
       and PercentageOfArmyKilled < 20

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 80
 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 60

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Trigger Building_MilitaryInclination_City
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished > city_watch

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 25
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 10 

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Trigger Building_MilitaryInclination_Castle_Barracks
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished > mustering_hall
       and Trait MilitaryInclination = 1

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 33
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 10 

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Trigger Building_MilitaryInclination_Castle_Archery
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished > bowyer
       and Trait MilitaryInclination = 1

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 20
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 8 

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Trigger Building_MilitaryInclination_Castle_Archery
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished > stables
       and Trait MilitaryInclination = 1

 Affects GoodCommander 1 Chance 20
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 8 

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Trigger governor_building_castlesiege
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished = c_siege_works 
       and Trait MilitaryInclination = 1

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 20
 Affects GoodEngineer 1 Chance 20

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Trigger governor_building_siege
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished = siege_works 

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 10
 Affects GoodEngineer 1 Chance 10

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Trigger governor_building_castlecannon
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished >= c_cannon_foundry 
       and Trait MilitaryInclination = 1

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 20

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Trigger governor_building_cannon
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished >= cannon_foundry 

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 10

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Trigger governor_building_academy
 WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

 Condition SettlementBuildingFinished >= military_academy 

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 100

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Trigger sitting_around_town_with_militaryacademy
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and EndedInSettlement
       and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
       and SettlementBuildingExists >= military_academy

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 15 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger sitting_around_at_sea
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral
       and AtSea

 Affects Drink 1 Chance 4
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 5 

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Trigger dads_Military_Edu
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FatherTrait Military_Edu >= 3

 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 20 

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Trigger random_birth_teutonic
 WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

 Condition FactionType teutonic_order

 Affects PublicFaith 1 Chance 20 
 Affects TouchedByTheGods 1 Chance 8 
 Affects Prim 1 Chance 10 
 Affects Military_Edu 1 Chance 100

If you're not getting any education from sitting in a castle, there's something wrong with your install.

**strife1013** · August 30, 2010, 10:48 AM

I agree with not being able to see where your character is kinda blows, is there anyways to change it where the freshman, senior, etc... is visable?

**Meneth** · August 30, 2010, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by strife1013

I agree with not being able to see where your character is kinda blows, is there anyways to change it where the freshman, senior, etc... is visable?

Yes, just remove "Hidden" from the WantSchool entry in export_descr_character_traits.txt

**Shoryn** · August 30, 2010, 10:55 AM

Yes : Add a ";" before the "Hidden" line in the "WantSchool" trait in export_descr_character_traits file.

Personnally I made this trait 10 threshold instead of 16 and increased some triggers prob.

Edit: Har, owned by Meneth.