Checking thru data/ui/units/mercs and wtf is this?

[RabidSheepLegion]

Gulay Gorod? Looks like a trader's cart lol

[RabidSheepLegion]

There's actually more "unknown/unused" units, war wagon (NE Version of gulay gorod I guess) and wagon wall lol Looks like really good things to use

[strife1013]

Picture?

[RabidSheepLegion]

Picture?

not sure i can do pic but if you download ifran view (free progarm) you can use the thumbnail viewer to see it. path is ss folder/data/ui/units/mercs and it will be in there somewhere... look really cool like you can use them near walls to cover your men from missiles... if you guys can add this, it will be a must in my book! tired of losing my best troops to darn towers/ranged units lol

[Meneth]

Here it is:

I have no idea what it is, though

[RabidSheepLegion]

Ya, there is also wagonwall too, wagonfort sounds like a garrisonable mobile object

Weird thing is, is that those units where in the M2TW Strategy Guide Book you could get (Before patches or anything else)

[Meneth]

Ya, there is also wagonwall too, wagonfort sounds like a garrisonable mobile object

Weird thing is, is that those units where in the M2TW Strategy Guide Book you could get (Before patches or anything else)

Looking at it, it looks like it works sort of like a siege-tower, except all except a few soldiers would be inside the wagon. Nice protection from arrows, not so nice protection against fire.

[RabidSheepLegion]

Amazing powers of google

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82549

[Ishan]

Yep it'a war wagon that CA never thought or cared enough to implement.
Here is a Pic for it in Battlefield.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[RabidSheepLegion]

Yep it'a war wagon that CA never thought or cared enough to implement.
Here is a Pic for it in Battlefield.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Add REP! Thx, tried google image to no avail. Link I sent above here, supposedly someone found how to add them in. I want the wagon walls too tho, for sieges

[Meneth]

Yep it'a war wagon that CA never thought or cared enough to implement.
Here is a Pic for it in Battlefield.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

That looks... pretty silly.

[strife1013]

I wonder if modders and create "new seige" equipment?

[RabidSheepLegion]

I've seen people add new siege stuff on rome, but idk if ppl can on m2tw engine

[newt]

TATW has new models for siege equipment.

[k/t]

Hahaha, what kind of idiot leaves the horses on? It looks like a medieval traffic jam.

You have to take them off and chain the wagons together in a circle.

And look at that crossbow guy drive! Giddy-yap! Ben Hur: Total War.

I thought I'd take a ride
And soon Miss Fannie Pavise
Was seated by my side!

[Alpha Zeke]

I don't understand... what the point of using them that way?

[Theseus1234]

For stuff like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabor_(formation)
And this:
They're like a cross between mounted and foot ranged units. They offer more mobility than foot crossbowmen and more firepower than a unit of mounted crossbowmen, but have the disadvantage of still being somewhat small in size and a bit immobile (They can move quickly, but firing would probably have to be done once the wagon was stationary).

[preachercheeze]

those are Hussite Wagonforts which where, at their time, the most effective defensive formation that was... Crossbows where stationed and reloaded by servants so it was a massive, never ending barrage of crossbows against the enemy... inside the circle where pikemen that stabbed all that came close and also close quarter units that killed those that forced themselves into the circle...

For stuff like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabor_(formation)
And this:
They're like a cross between mounted and foot ranged units. They offer more mobility than foot crossbowmen and more firepower than a unit of mounted crossbowmen, but have the disadvantage of still being somewhat small in size and a bit immobile (They can move quickly, but firing would probably have to be done once the wagon was stationary).

What he linked...

[Gogolometro]

Yap, hussites. They are not available in game but are great. In fact in hissite wars this way of vagon forts keep boemians winners.

[RollingWave]

These sort of tactics were very very common among the borders of the nomadic and settle civilization, it is one of the common tactics of settled civilization when confronting massive armies of horse archers. The Chinese also used a lot of these sort of tactics against the various nomadic groups from Mongolia.

It didn't take too long for people to realize that out in the open plains , facing a large army of pure horse archers is basically mission impossible, you either get shot to pieces or you get overrun, however hiding behind walls tend to neglect both of the nomad's advantage. while you can take your time to fire back against them using your own bows / crossbows / whatever.

So the natural solution obviously ended up as using carts as make shift walls, just string a circle together and you basically get a mobile fort, something that the horse archers can't shoot through, can't charge into.

Against other settled civilization this sort of tactics is pretty pointless of course, since they can just climb up the cart with their heavy infantry, or even worse burn the cart. but nomadic archers were usually poorly equiped for H2H fighting, so this becomes the best possible tactics against them.

a few picture of Chinese doing this sort of tactics.



and a artillery cart obviously with the same idea in mind