Who defends the gypsies?

[Denny Crane!]

Simple question really, France is deporting them and I have to wonder who if anyone has any sympathy for groups who don't comply with regulations and are seemingly intent on bypassing them to the detriment of everyone else.

When they move into an area they concrete it, fill it with rubbish and generally bring crime. I am a lover of freedom but also of private property and the responsibilities that come with it.

Do I have a skewed view of these mobile communities? Always willing to change my view, it may be daily mail in nature...

This has been brought on because France has been deporting them recently. What do you think?

[Their Law]

I don't really have any personal experience with any travelling groups. So my opinion is this is based purely on a sort of moral feeling towards it in general. I do feel it's a very dangerous line to walk however when you start deporting people based upon where they come from rather than what they've achieved. Furthermore the constant alienation that these communities must feel practically drives them into lives of crime.

On the other hand they are flouting the law. and if they refuse to comply to the laws of the countries their in then the state has a right to take action as it wishes. But i really dislike the quasi-racist dislike that some people on this forum display towards them, there was a thread a while back claiming Italy was going to demand all people of Roma descent to have some form of identification. It was disturbing how many people supported it.

[Denny Crane!]

I don't really have any personal experience with any travelling groups. So my opinion is this is based purely on a sort of moral feeling towards it in general. I do feel it's a very dangerous line to walk however when you start deporting people based upon where they come from rather than what they've achieved. Furthermore the constant alienation that these communities must feel practically drives them into lives of crime.

On the other hand they are flouting the law. and if they refuse to comply to the laws of the countries their in then the state has a right to take action as it wishes. But i really dislike the quasi-racist dislike that some people on this forum display towards them, there was a thread a while back claiming Italy was going to demand all people of Roma descent to have some form of identification. It was disturbing how many people supported it.

I don't believe in singling out a single group but action should be taken with people who deliberately seek out to take over a piece of land abuse the hell out of that area and then use every last loophole to stop doing anything about it.

I think the cause and effect is a bit mixed up when you say you don't like how people react to them and that they are driven to a life of crime. Certainly in the UK it is a failure of law and local government to act on them and on central government as well as their actions/crime that has led people to truly dislike the travelling community.

I've never encountered one of their communities, if they act as portrayed in the media it would be pretty horrendous to have one take over the fields near me, if that is how they act and not the media blowing it out of proportion.

[Their Law]

I don't believe in singling out a single group but action should be taken with people who deliberately seek out to take over a piece of land abuse the hell out of that area and then use every last loophole to stop doing anything about it.

I think the cause and effect is a bit mixed up when you say you don't like how people react to them and that they are driven to a life of crime. Certainly in the UK it is a failure of law and local government to act on them and on central government as well as their actions/crime that has led people to truly dislike the travelling community.

I've never encountered one of their communities, if they act as portrayed in the media it would be pretty horrendous to have one take over the fields near me, if that is how they act and not the media blowing it out of proportion.

Indeed, I've not got an issue with the authorities trying as hard as they can to remove them from the country as such, it's just some of the comments I've seen from this forum and in real life about these people has disturbing parallels to the attitudes towards Jewish people in the build up to the Third Reich era.

Now I know I've invoked Godwin's law there when I said the above sentence, but I feel that some people have crossed the line of ' I dislike them because the break the law' and have moved into the ' I dislike them because their Roma or Gypsies' so whilst I'm against Frances deportation per se, I am somewhat concerned at the level of glee or enjoyment some people are taking in this.

So basically I'm just a bit cautious of where this may be going.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

Simple question really, France is deporting them and I have to wonder who if anyone has any sympathy for groups who don't comply with regulations and are seemingly intent on bypassing them to the detriment of everyone else.

When they move into an area they concrete it, fill it with rubbish and generally bring crime. I am a lover of freedom but also of private property and the responsibilities that come with it.

Do I have a skewed view of these mobile communities? Always willing to change my view, it may be daily mail in nature...

This has been brought on because France has been deporting them recently. What do you think?

Well the RCC is doing some positive PR in this dept by siding with them.....not the best organisation to be fighting in your corner at the moment but hey....

[RO Citizen]

I think the French defend them more than I do

BUT not the gypsy ethnicity as a whole, but only those thieves&beggars who go outside the borders and mess the image of Romania (my country, btw) throughout the world. Besides the thing that being racist is the dullest political policy, I personally know very nice gypsies, so I have nothing to do with the ethnicity.

Instead of giving them money to go away, the government should help the kids through education, and get the adults who made (even small) illegal activities in jail. They already said they're getting back to France ASAP, to steal/beg and to get more money from Fuhrer Sarkozy

[Manco]

The reaction towards the Roma is rather obviously not just 'they're here illegal', some of the commentary and the casual racism in it, is sickening.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Gypsies are the only group of people in the world that incites nearly universal hatred. I've rarely seen them, but what people tell me, I'm probably not missing anything good.

[RO Citizen]

Gypsies are the only group of people in the world that incites nearly universal hatred. I've rarely seen them, but what people tell me, I'm probably not missing anything good.

There are few good persons, trust me.

I think the Gypsies will soon take the Jews throne as "most persecuted ""innocent"" ppl"

[nce_wht_guy]

Well, based on my own limited personal experience with travellers, they are a rather rough bunch. But that in no way excuses the venomous hatred and discrimination directed at them.

[Ciabhán]

Well, based on my own limited personal experiance with travellers, they are a rather rough bunch. But that in no way excuses the venomous hatred and discrimination directed at them.

You'd be rough too if everyone you met wanted to with you. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. My father hated Travellers, so I of course went out of my way to be friends with them when I could. Caught a few beatings for it too . I found them little different from anyone else.

[pickelhaube]

Bwahaha goodbye illegal immigrant gypsies! At least something in this world goes right. I pity romanians though who have to accept these illegal immigrants back. Can they "get lost" on the way somewhere perhaps? Like abducted by aliens or something.

[RO Citizen]

Bwahaha goodbye illegal immigrant gypsies! At least something in this world goes right. I pity Romanians though who have to accept these illegal immigrants back. Can they "get lost" on the way somewhere perhaps? Like abducted by aliens or something.

Well, letting them talk to the aliens sounds like a very good idea But neither gov allows that. Fortunately, they'll stay here a month max, and then they'll go back to France

In case the Roma children are being badly raised the State should step in by offering a chance to help supporting that child in exchange of the family settling

Unfortunately, many don't want to send their kids (or don't wanna go if they're kids) to school. They prefer begging and maybe stealing. The kids should just be taken away from the parents who abused of them (it sometimes happens that the parents cut their kids' hands or legs to make them win more money of of beggarship) and the state should take care of them and the biological parents should have no right to see them

[Claudius Gothicus]

Unfortunately, many don't want to send their kids (or don't wanna go if they're kids) to school. They prefer begging and maybe stealing. The kids should just be taken away from the parents who abused of them (it sometimes happens that the parents cut their kids' hands or legs to make them win more money of of beggarship) and the state should take care of them and the biological parents should have no right to see them

And this of course would be the punishment for not accepting the States terms and continuing to neglect their children, which doesn't apply to Gypsies only it must apply to anyone who neglects their child on a systematic way without giving a about their son future.

[iudas]

Nobody should defend criminals and troublemakers. There are many deluded individuals who mistake justice for racism. The Roma are an ethnic minority like any other, with good people and bad people, it's simply a fact that many of them are disruptive and a nuisance to everyone else, and such undesirables are, and should be, punished.

[Claudius Gothicus]

In case they are found guilty of vandalism/theft or some other offense they should be jailed, as simple as that.

In case the Roma childs are being badly raised the State should step in by offering a chance to help supporting that child in exchange of the family settling and getting the parents to actually enroll their children into school while becoming fully functioning members of society. Giving a chance to insert into society is not the same as getting everyone kicked out, but of course, if the chances were offered and turned down then they should face the consequences(no, I'm not for genocide them) consequences being jail if found involved illegal activities.

Deportation gets all the PC crowd mad, doesn't really solve the problem and can end up crossing the line between necessary to discriminating quite easily.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

there are no liked itinerant people.

I mean, gypsies, and Irish travellors etc are hated beyond hate.

I think their culture is terrible.

[Thorn777]

There was a thread about this in the mudpit recently. God I hate littering internet-forum litterers...

[Denny Crane!]

There was a thread about this in the mudpit recently. God I hate littering internet-forum litterers...

Shhh take your patchwork quilt and get in your rocking chair, I'll bring you a pipe

[Thorn777]

Shhh take your patchwork quilt and get in your rocking chair, I'll bring you a pipe

Hey Im not the one who's head is stuck in 1939 on this issue. Hitler criminalized them because of their non-conform life-style actually, being difficult to suppress in that entire social setting he envisioned, not for them being more Arian than Germans are, so in that sense the "OG lifestyle" is inherently anti fascist to the max. That you should like....+ most doing well are the small business owner types since no one in their right mind hires the gypsy.