Sheehan in the news again!!!!

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Honestly people, why won't this women just give it up.

She's lost all credibility through her fruitless endevours. Can't she just go back to whatever it is that she does for a living and just leave the president be?



A. How is her shamefull behaviour reflecting upon her son's sacrafice in the name of his country?
B. What good has she ever done?
C. It is obvious that one woman camping outside the whitehouse isn't going to change anything, so why keep up?
D. What is it going to take for this woman to can it and stop trying to get her 15 minutes of fame.

AND E. What the **** is wrong with her? She's said she isn't going to pay her taxes because her son's loss was "her taxes for the year"

What a dirtbag is all I can say.


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Moderators have spoken to me, so behave and have a jolly good time.

[Justinian]

Oh god, not her again. If her son saw her now he would hate her. He wouldn't have joined the Army if he didn't expect some kind of risk.

She's said she isn't going to pay her taxes because her son's loss was "her taxes for the year"

What's that smell? Smells like ... hypocrisy.

[Guderian]

My god people. Don't you have any respect?...and you expect people to reply to this without emotion. I would say it is prime flame material.

A) What good is Bush doing for America? with his constant lying, his avoidance of critical issues and his very poor handling of the war, not mention any other crisis? On the other hand a mother who is willing to stick up for ideals is the very epitome of America.
B) What good has Bush done execpt killing 30,000+ Iraqis and spreading hate? On the other hand read above for what Sheehan has done.
C) With an attitude like that no wonder Bush is getting away with everything he does.
D) Why not apply the same question to the Bush administration handling of the pre elections, not to mention post elections, not to mention nearly every issue that has been bought up against the Bush administration which the Bush adminstration has spun. At least Sheehan gets some relief over the death of her son.

E) What the **** is wrong with Bush? he is a sick sick man.

[Justinian]

A) What good is Bush doing for America? with his constant lying, his avoidance of critical issues and his very poor handling of the war, not mention any other crisis? On the other hand a mother who is willing to stick up for ideals is the very epitome of America.

Whose ideals? Protesting the war is not some righteous crusade for the good of mankind. Sheehan is someone who at the best can't let go of her son, who would doubtlessly hate this behavior, and at worst someone who just wants fame/to get rid of her tax (why else would she refuse to pay tax? idiocy).

B) What good has Bush done execpt killing 30,000+ Iraqis and spreading hate? On the other hand read above for what Sheehan has done.

What has Sheehan done?

D) Why not apply the same question to the Bush administration handling of the pre elections, not to mention post elections, not to mention nearly every issue that has been bought up against the Bush administration which the Bush adminstration has spun. At least Sheehan gets some relief over the death of her son.

Who asked for recounts in the 2000 election and made a huge fuss after the election? Who basically said "Bush sucks" after the 2004 election? Though I'll admit Kerry bowed out gracefully, and I respect him for that.

E) What the **** is wrong with Bush? he is a sick sick man.

Have you met the man?

As ghenghis said, making a huge fuss about a soldier dying is just ... gah. What are they supposed to be doing in the Army? Shooting at cardboard targets and drinking?

Vietnam soldier's deaths being protested in Vietnam makes sense, they didn't sign up to go there. But people who are volunteering for the army?

[genghis khan]

Ah Cindy Sheehan.

On one hand I feel sorry for her, it sucks to lose someone you love. On the other hand, her son did VOLUNTEER and he was the one who signed on the dotted line to join the military. When you join the military its not like your going to be sitting in bed playing patticake with your neighbors all day. I hate the way the media has been playing her up and making her out to be some sort of tragic figure here. What about the others who have lost loved ones?

Debate about the morality of going in Iraq all you want, the soldiers who are there part of the US forces volunteered to join. Irregardless if they are reservists or active duty full time soldiers it doesnt matter. It would be one thing if the US military was a conscription force, ok fine then one can actually lay blame on the leaders for being callous etc. In this case though her son volunteered to go. I know I am sounding cold here but this is almost like pitying the mother of a son who went scuba diving with sharks or sky diving and died because of what they did (as in these activities are fairly dangerous). Yes its bad that someone died, however with that said if you go sky diving or scuba diving you volunteered to partake in a dangerous activity. Sheehan's son volunteered to join the military. Playing with guns and learning how to be a soldier is not exactly a safe occupation.

Oh well, hopefully we wont hear much more about her in the months/years to come.

[Guderian]

Why won't Bush just give her an audience and get it over with? It's a simple thing to do.

[genghis khan]

Why won't Bush just give her an audience and get it over with? It's a simple thing to do.

He already did.

Also..why should he? I am not trying to defend Bush but why should he give her an audience instead of some other grieving mother? Because she's been in the news and is somewhat famous now?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Oh well, hopefully we wont hear much more about her in the months/years to come.

Probably because she's going to be in a cell for a while after she is charged with Tax evasion.

[Guderian]

Whose ideals? Protesting the war is not some righteous crusade for the good of mankind. Sheehan is someone who at the best can't let go of her son, who would doubtlessly hate this behavior, and at worst someone who just wants fame/to get rid of her tax (why else would she refuse to pay tax? idiocy).

People who are grieving are best left alone. After awhile she will probably lay off. On the other hand I doubt she does it for the reason you mention, i.e tax evasion and publicity.

What has Sheehan done?

She stood up for what she belived in, something that cannot be said of Bush & Co.

Who asked for recounts in the 2000 election and made a huge fuss after the election? Who basically said "Bush sucks" after the 2004 election? Though I'll admit Kerry bowed out gracefully, and I respect him for that.

That is not publicity, that is just being a bad loser. On the other hand the Bush camp deployed various publicity scandals such as attacking every one of thier opponents with BS propganda, and personal attacks that were off limits in politics at that time.

Have you met the man?

As ghenghis said, making a huge fuss about a soldier dying is just ... gah. What are they supposed to be doing in the Army? Shooting at cardboard targets and drinking?

Vietnam soldier's deaths being protested in Vietnam makes sense, they didn't sign up to go there. But people who are volunteering for the army?

Have you ever lost someone? Becuase you don't act like you have. I can understand why she is doing this. The same cannot be said for Corporal Hicks and yourself. And it is not for publicity or tax evasion. The best thing to do would be to just leave her alone, I think what CH has done with his post is despicable and that is the reason for my reply.

The point is why attack Sheehan, why not attack Bush for the things he has done. Sheehan has a legitimate reason for her behavior (the loss of her son), What reason does Bush have for his rubbish? Power? Getting re-elected?

Also..why should he? I am not trying to defend Bush but why should he give her an audience instead of some other grieving mother? Because she's been in the news and is somewhat famous now?

If it was a patriotic mother or any other mother who had lost her son, Bush would be there kissing her arse, I can gurantee you that. The only reason he is treating her this way is (D) negative publicity, plain and simple.

[Justinian]

Have you ever lost someone?

Yes. Though obviously I can't understand a parent/child relationship, not being a parent.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

The same cannot be said for Corporal Hicks and yourself.

Actualy my cousin was murdered in cold blood, and I sympothise with her loss, but going about like she is, that's no way to honor her son and the things he fought and died for.

Judge lest ye not be judged

what kind of asanine thing is that...stupidest thing i've ever heard.

[Guderian]

Though obviously I can't understand a parent/child relationship, not being a parent.

I don't have children either, but I know a lady who lost her husband to a heart attack and her son was diagnosed with Leukiemia on the same year. If she acted like CS then I wouldn't be surprised, but then again she has no one to be angry at. CS on the other hand belives her son lost his life for nothing and I can understand why she behaves the way she does.

Instead of a kind gesture or a warm handshake, Sheehan said she immediately got a taste of Bush arrogance when he entered the room and "in a condescending tone and with a disgusting loud Texas accent," said: "Who we’all honorin’ here today?"

"His mouth kept moving, but there was nothing in his eyes or anything else about him that showed me he really cared or had any real compassion at all. This is a human being totally disconnected from humanity and reality. His eyes were empty, hollow shells and he was acting like I should be proud to just be in his presence when it was my son who died for his illegal war! It was one of the most disgusting experiences I ever had and it took me almost a year to even talk about it," said Sheehan in a telephone conversation from Washington D.C. where she was attending a July 4th anti-war rally.

Sheehan said the June 2004 private meeting with the President went from bad to worse to a nightmare when Bush acted like he didn’t even want to know her name. She said Bush kept referring to her as ‘Ma’ or ‘Mom’ while he "put on a phony act," saying things like ‘Mom, I can’t even imagine losing a loved one, a mother or a father or a sister or a brother.’

"The whole meeting was simply bizarre and disgusting, designed to intimidate instead of providing compassion. He didn’t even know our names," said Sheehan. "Finally I got so upset I just looked him in the eye, saying ‘I think you can imagine losing someone. You have two daughters. Imagine losing them?’ After I said that he just looked at me, looked at me with no feeling or caring in his eyes at all."

Sheehan said what really upset her about the meeting is that Bush appeared to become annoyed and even angry at her daughter Carley, 25, who also attended the White House get-together.

"My daughter said to him directly ‘I wish I could bring my loved one back’ and he said something like ‘so do we.’ Later she told me that after he made his remark he gave her one of the filthiest looks she had ever had gotten in her life.

"I just couldn’t believe this was happening. It was so surreal and bizarre. Later I met with some of the other 15or 16 families who were at the White House the same day and, sure enough, they all felt the same way I did.

"It’s interesting that they put us each in separate rooms. I heard this was done to prevent any type of group outburst and since it’s easier to control a situation when people are separated. Looking back, all I can say is that the meeting with Bush was one of the most disgusting experiences in my life.

"And I even asked him: ‘Why did you even bother to bring us here when I didn’t vote for you and don’t support the illegal nature of your war?’ He said it wasn’t political but I know it was just another one of his lies, as he probably wanted to be able to say out on the political stump that he wasn’t afraid to meet with families who lost loved one’s in the war."

That might also explain it, don't know about the source though since I just googled it.

Source

Actualy my cousin was murdered in cold blood, and I sympothise with her loss, but going about like she is, that's no way to honor her son and the things he fought and died for.

People react differently to losing someone, you might not understand them but that doesn't mean you have to attack them.

[RZZZA]

Actually I think its supposed to be "Judge NOT lest ye be judged". Anyway, its from the bible, and we all know how much stock I put into THAT book, right?

[RZZZA]

I dunno why everyone hates Sheehan so much, she seemed like a nice enough lady and intelligent and 100% in control of her self on Bill Maher and she makes a believable enough argument at the many anti-war rallies she's attended....if only so many radicals hadn't latched onto that movement we could have seen a real liberal democratic resurgence of voice in this country.

"A. How is her shamefull behaviour reflecting upon her son's sacrafice in the name of his country?

Well, I'd say Cindy is her own person and her son was another person. I'm sure she doesnt think she's disrespecting her sons memory by what she's doing. She was his mom, and you dont know either of them, so I tend to give her the benefit of the doubt.

B. What good has she ever done?

Well she was the figurehead of a democratic/liberal political resurgence not too long ago. It pretty much died out when the democrats threw their hissy fit in the senate or congress (dont remember...) that one day, but who knows maybe they're planning to do something else real loudly soon.

C. It is obvious that one woman camping outside the whitehouse isn't going to change anything, so why keep up?

Well she came a hell of a lot closer than anything you've done, didn't she? :wink: She was pretty much the leader (or at least the Ace up the sleeve) for disgruntled democrats and liberals everywhere for a while.

D. What is it going to take for this woman to can it and stop trying to get her 15 minutes of fame.

You got me there, I dunno. Probably till the 2008 elections. Then the democrats will have all new things to whine about.

AND E. What the **** is wrong with her? She's said she isn't going to pay her taxes because her son's loss was "her taxes for the year"

Dunno, don't care. She birthed and raised a soldier who died fighting an american war. Thats all I need to know, she can not pay taxes the rest of her life and that'd be fine with me. Besides, when you take into account all the other types of people who are prone to not pay taxes, Sheehan not paying hers shouldnt worry people too much...


What a dirtbag is all I can say"

Judge lest ye not be judged.....or...something like that.

[genghis khan]

If it was a patriotic mother or any other mother who had lost her son, Bush would be there kissing her arse, I can gurantee you that. The only reason he is treating her this way is (D) negative publicity, plain and simple.

I see, so based on what you said he should meet with her...AGAIN. I noticed you avoided the fact that I mentioned he already met with her before.

Her son died, her boy volunteered to join the military. So did other people, others have died too. Why should he meet specifically with Sheehan because she camps out from his ranch? I dont understand why people pick her side so quickly here. She already met with Bush. A few months go by and then all of a sudden she wants to meet with him again. Whatever. As for the rest of your statement, thats purely speculation on your part.

[Farnan]

I wouldn't be upset if they put Sheehan in the news, as long as they gave pro-war parents who lost a child equal time.

[imb39]

A. How is her shamefull behaviour reflecting upon her son's sacrafice in the name of his country?

Does anyone know of her son's actual stance on the war before he died? Pleanty of soldiers, I'm sure, are not happy with the war but do it out of duty.

B. What good has she ever done?

She's standing for what she believes, is willing to go to jail over it and is pilloried to boot.

C. It is obvious that one woman camping outside the whitehouse isn't going to change anything, so why keep up?

She believes what she is saying and, to be honest, public opinion is turning against Bush. Undoubtedly some people have changed their opinions due to her stance.

D. What is it going to take for this woman to can it and stop trying to get her 15 minutes of fame.

Probably Bush admitting he was wrong and resigning. Pretty simple.

E. What the **** is wrong with her? She's said she isn't going to pay her taxes because her son's loss was "her taxes for the year"

From her point of view - there's very little more she can offer the country. Perhaps she (or rather her family) have contributed enough to this war.

What a dirtbag is all I can say.

Very compassionate. True hallmark of a human being.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Does anyone know of her son's actual stance on the war before he died?

Obviously he wasn't very opposed to it. If he was he could have asked for a discharge.

She's standing for what she believes, is willing to go to jail over it and is pilloried to boot.

So did Adolf Hitler, and Nathan Bedford Forrest....I ask again, what good has she done?

Undoubtedly some people have changed their opinions due to her stance.

I highly doubt that

Probably Bush admitting he was wrong and resigning. Pretty simple.

Yeah, she's being realistic.

Perhaps she (or rather her family) have contributed enough to this war.

She's leeching off her son. Sometimes the Government gives widows of kia troopers the right to pay no taxes, but she is not harmed by his loss financialy. She can, quite frankly, suck it up and soldier on like the rest of tax paying america. I hate paying taxes but i do it anyway.

Very compassionate. True hallmark of a human being.

Well, at least I don't use the memory of a dead soldier to parade my opinion all over the news in an attempt to force my will upon my whole nation.

[RZZZA]

"Well, at least I don't use the memory of a dead soldier to parade my opinion all over the news in an attempt to force my will upon my whole nation."

Lets take a look at this again...who in this situation, imposes their will on the entire nation: Bush or Cindy Sheehan? Wow thats an easy one. Like I said, she's managed to do a whole lot more than any of us, so why again are we bashing this lady instead of trying to understand her better?

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Bush or Cindy Sheehan?

Lets see, there are three branches in the American Government, there are also checks and balances that go along with this, so obviously Bush himself is not imposing HIS will on anyone. He's doing as the legislature and judiciary are doing, what is best for the people. After all, it is THE PEOPLE who put these people into power in the first place.

Sheehan on the other hand, is parading around trying to gain support by saying "look at me, my son died, pitty me and blame Bush."

yeah, let's see who's being the most reasonable.......easy it's Bush.