If the Latin Empire would be in the late era of SS 6.3to present more accuratly the super powers of the regions then some of us could add some info.
For example:
Trampeter of Latin Empire of Konstantinople.
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If the Latin Empire would be in the late era of SS 6.3to present more accuratly the super powers of the regions then some of us could add some info.
For example:
Trampeter of Latin Empire of Konstantinople.
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TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.
I think this was discussed earlier in some thread. Since there is no room for new units (Except I think one maybe?) then the faction couldn't really be made without taking things from other factions. Some work could be done to merge similar units in similar nations, and then they could be created, but that would be a lotttt of work...
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True, but so many new units were added. Especially AoR units.
I think (Not sure if I mentioned this before) that there is actually one free unit slot for a unit made but not used. But there are so many unit repeats for different factions that if you truly cleaned it up and took out the minor uniqueness some units have (or removed ones deemed worthless, like annoying cheap cannon fodder mercs)then there should be plenty of room.
Venetian/Italian-12 to 14th century-millitiaman
He can be used through the merceant's guild all around the Latin Empire.
TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.
Are already in game. The axe militia of europeans. English have a better version if I remember well.
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Wow, now I like this alot, looks really great, always like to see some historical accuracy added. I am sure there is Byz unit or something else that you could make way for the Trumpeters. I am sure Caesar Clivus is going to like this unit loads.
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In late era FEoK was far more important from France its self!
The french of Principality of Achaea (Patra) claimed that they spoke and behave more as French than the french in their homeland.
Scholars (catholic ones) claimed that the French knights of Achaea wee the best knights in the world!!!
So in late era i think that FEoK would be a better faction option than Ireland.![]()
TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.
Edit: My entire suggestion is about the Late Era Campaign (1220) in SS6.3.
Instead of removing any units or factions, simply rename the Crusader States to Latin Empire. The Crusader States has lots of unique units, which could be removed in the late era, and then used as new units for the Latin Empire.
Besides, the Crusader States in the late era have only Rhodes and Cyprus (maybe a combination of those and some other, but barely any regions)? They don't do anything but stay on their little island, they could easily be represented by rebels. The Latin Empire was far more important than the Crusader States at that time. And this would be a sub mod, so entirely optional (well that's what I think your suggesting).
(By the way, Ireland's already been removed (replaced with the Timurids).)
Last edited by JohnGlave; August 27, 2010 at 09:30 AM. Reason: Clarified SS version.
Why not the Latin Empire to have all settlements it have now from byzantines with units from french, german and italian units. Is simple.
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I didn't even think of how units could be removed from campaign to campaign, since they're two different campaigns
That actually sounds like a good idea! Although it hurts me inside to say it, the Crusader States should have a replacement. I think that someone should work on this idea![]()
SS 6.3 starts in 1100 so the crusaders are allready in the holly lands.
Ireland as i have been told already removed for an other faction.
So the only minor faction that historical can still removed is Portugal.
We like it or not Portugal was nothing at that era.![]()
TGC in order to continue its development seak one or more desicated scripters to put our campaign scripts mess to an order plus to create new events and create the finall missing factions recruitment system. In return TGC will give permision to those that will help to use its material stepe by step. The result will be a fully released TGC plus many mods that will benefit TGC's material.
Despite the mod is dead does not mean that anyone can use its material
read this to avoid misunderstandings.
IWTE tool master and world txt one like this, needed inorder to release TGC 1.0 official to help TWC to survive.
Adding MARKA HORSES in your mod and create new varietions of them. Tutorial RESTORED.
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So tell me Aragon was as European Power in the 12th Century? Lituania was a European Power in the 12 century?
Iberia was Important to the History (dont forget the Reconquista "the Crusades in the Iberia"), Portugal, Castille and Leon, Aragon were very important to stop the muslim armys of the Moors to enter in France and Europe, thats why Bernard Claraval send the templars Order to Iberia (Portugal and Aragon and then Castille and Leon). Iberia had a huge amount and quality of military orders (Templars, Hospitallers, Calatrava, Alcantara, Avis, Santiago. Christ and Montesa after the supression of the Templars Order).
Portugal (Templars, Hospitallers, Avis, Santiago and Christ "after the supression of the Templars Order")
The Order of Christ (Portuguese caravels as symbols of the Order in its sails);
Castille and Leon (Templars "The Gran Master always in Portugal), Hospitallers, Calatrava, Alcantara and Santiago);
Aragon (Templars, Hospitallers and Montesa "after the supression of the Templars Order").
They all were important to conquer the moors in Iberia (as i said before In Portugal, the conquest ended with the final conquest of Silves forces D. Afonso III in 1253. Later, the Portuguese maritime expansion, preceded by the conquest of the squares African was considered in part as a continuation of the Reconquista.)
That's one small part of the importance of Portugal![]()
Sorry i dont agree with you.
Templars in Europe (One of the first county to receive the templars = Portugal)
Romanesque influence arrived in the 11th century when Portugal was emerging as a nation state, brought from France by Burgundian knights and monks. Cathedrals were built in this style as local fortified castles, explained by the need for fortification against the continued military threat of the Moors and, later, the Castilians. The cathedrals of Lisbon, Coimbra, Porto, and Braga.
Oddly enough, this generosity of nobles and kings to the Templars with begins to be felt in Portugal even before Bernard of Clairvaux to start its marketing campaign in favor of the order. Historian Jean André Paraschi, in his History of the Knights Templar in Portugal, with the possibility of previous donations, says the offer, even in 1126 and by the Queen Teresa (Mother of D. Afonso Henriques (First King of Portugal)), the town of Fountain Arcade, near Penafiel, in addition to farms, solar farms and offered by other owners.
Two years later, the headquarters of the Templars and changes location, but now, seems to have a military role. The facilities are now in the castle of Soure, also donated by D. Teresa. Situated at the confluence of three rivers (Arunce, Anços and Aaron, all tributaries of the Mondego), Soure serves as advance guard to the city of Coimbra. Out of curiosity, will be at the gates of the castle, in 1144, the Templars suffered one of their heaviest defeats in Portugal, before the troops of Abu Zakaria, vizier of Santarem.
The list, from here, it thickens quickly - most especially after independence and the accession to the throne of the dynasty of Burgundy. This sympathy of the descendants of Earl D. Henry by the Order of the Temple may be related to the proximity of the nobility of Burgundy and Champagne - where they came from the original Knights Templar - or the fact that the great ideologist of Templarism, Bernard of Clairvaux, is himself a Burgundian of noble families .
While the Portuguese nobility was giving the Templars farms and estates at a breathtaking pace, contributing to the enrichment of the order and increasing sources of revenue, D. Afonso Henriques and his successors followed a different strategy: their donations of land or fortifications were situated in strategic areas of the country kings recognized the military power of the Templars and functions attributed to them the first line of defense against possible attacks Muslim or Castilian.
But the Templars were not limited to a defensive role. In most battles of the Reconquista, the kings of Portugal could rely on soldiers of the Order of the Temple among its forces. Even during the siege of Lisbon, when a Muslim army tried from the outside, break through the Christian lines, it was the Templars who were in the hottest combat zones, giving decisive support to repel the enemy.
One of the major donations made by D. Afonso I of the Order of the Temple was, for heights of 1159, the territory of Atthe workbench. Here would be born to take, considered the most Templar of all cities. With its magnificent castle and one of the most important churches erected purely Templar in the World (St. Mary of Olives), Tomar has been, along with Cyprus, the unofficial capital of the Order of the Temple. Its importance was so great that it merited its own defensive structure - which included the castles of Cardigan, Bode of Zêzere Almourol and Serta, in addition to fortifications in Pias and Domes.
Although Portugal has always been a refuge for the Templar, given the close connections that the order had with the monarchs, their presence among us was not always peaceful. Once during the reconquista, the first Christian bishop of Lisbon, the English Gilbert of Hastings, tried to convince D. Afonso Henriques to put brake on autonomy Templar (their masters not only responded to the Pope), but their intentions would come out spoiled.
And the history of Portugal speaks be himself (The importance of Reconquista) Portugal was the first Country to finished the Reconquista)
So Minor Faction?? Well Portugal existed and still exist (How about Aragon - Belong to Spain. What Happend to the Crusader State??) Well...
It's my opinionSorry for my intrusion in this thread (only want to contribute with some information)
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I am not a hundred percent sure, but I think the sicily faction was removed in the late game, (if I remember correctly) in RC/RR 6.2, because the HRE controlled the lands, could you use that slot for the latins if you did the same? Not entirely sure how that would work, or if it would though.
County Portucalense
There must not get confused the County Portucalense concession of two territories of Inhabitant of Coimbra and of Portucale to a count D. Henry with the county of Portucale, which began to exist from the dam of Vímara Peres, extended by his descendants though not always according to a lineage completed even to the death of the last count, in the battle of Stony one, in 1071, which was trying to get bigger autonomy face to Garcia II of the Galiza, who was governing the Kingdom of the Galiza and Portugal of his father, Fernando Magno.
COUNTY PORTUCALENSE
There was, in the current territory of Portugal, along the process of reconquest, two Counties Portucalenses or Counties of different Portucale: a first one established by Vímara Peres after the dam of Portucale (Oporto) on 868 and incorporated in the kingdom of the Galiza in 1071, after the death of the count Nuno Mendes (and what though enjoying certain autonomy, it always constituted a dependence of the kingdom of the Astúrias/Leão/Galiza), being perceptibly equivalent to a current Douro e-Minho douro e-minho Douro e-Minho Entre-Minho). A second, constituted c. 1095 in fee of the king Afonso VI of Lion and Castela and when which vein to help it in the Reconquest of lands to the Moors, having received also the hand of his daughter Teresa de Leão was offered to Henry of Borgonha, a burguinhão. This last county was much bigger in extension, since it was comprising also the territories of the ancient county of Inhabitant of Coimbra, abolished in 1091, you leave of Them Behind The Hills and still of the South of the Galiza (chiefly of the diocese of Tui). Of noticing which County is a generic term for much bigger in extension, since it was comprising also the territories of the ancient county of Inhabitant of Coimbra, abolished in 1091, you leave of Them Behind The Hills and still of the South of the Galiza (chiefly of the diocese of Tui). Of noticing which County is a generic term to designate the Territory Portucalense, since his chiefs were alternatively entitled Committee (count), Dux (duke) or Princeps (Prince).
For a question of comfort, to allude if - á along this article to the first county portucalense like County of Portucale, and to a second one as County Portucalense, given they been this the most established expressions.
HISTORY
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COUNTS OF PORTUCALE: THE HOUSE OF VÍMARA PERES
They were counts of the house of Vímara Peres (not always in straight line, but resorting sometimes to the succession congnática):
Vímara Peres (c. 868-873)
Lucídio Vimaranes (son of the precedent - 873-?)
Onega Lucides (daughter of the precedent) ∞ Diogo Fernandes (? - before 924)
Mumadona Day (daughter of the precedents) ∞ (926) Hermenegildo Gonçalves (also called Mendo Gonçalves, son of the count Gonçalo Afonso Betote)
Gonçalo Mendes (son of the precedents) (c. 950-999; in 997 magnus is entitled dux portucalensium)
Mendo Gonçalves (son [or grandson?] of the precedent) (999-1008) ∞ Tutadona Moniz
Odd Alvito (descendant of Vímara Peres, married with the condesa Tutadona Moniz) (1008-1015)
Ilduara Mendes (daughter of Mendo Gonçalves) ∞ Nuno Alvites (son of the precedent) (1017-1028)
Odd Mendo (1028-1050)
Nuno Mendes (1050-1071) - last count of the family of Vímara Peres; when Garcia da Galiza was defeated by the king in the battle of Stony one.
COUNTY PORTUCALENSE
It is not necessary to confuse the County Portucalense — concession of two territories of Inhabitant of Coimbra and of Portucale to a count D. Henry — with the county of Portucale, which began to exist from the dam of Vímara Peres, extended by his descendants — though not always according to a perfect lineage — even to the death of a last count, in the battle of Stony one, in 1071, which was trying to get bigger autonomy face to Garcia II of the Galiza, who was governing the Kingdom of the Galiza and Portugal of his father, Fernando Magno.
However, the atrofiamento of the county of Inhabitant of Coimbra, created in 878, me them abolished with the conquest of the city for Almançor in the end of the century X, allowed the northern supremacy, which not even the reconstitution of an authority equivalent to that of the count — in aid of Sesnando Davides, in 1064, and extended even to his death, in 1092 — it could obstruct.
Meantime, the ambition of Lion's Afonso VI and Castela reconstituted again the unity of the paternal States and, when Garcia died again, after prisoner, in 1091, the territories in his possession passed for the hands of Raimundo de Borgonha, married with D. Urraca. At this point, the energy of the attacks Almorávidas was recommending the distribution of the military powers, better to reinforce the territory: a command in the central zone handed to a king himself Afonso VI, other, not official practised by El Cid in Valency, and the third thing the west handed to Raimundo; last East did not manage to defend efficiently the line of the Tagus — having already lost Lisbon, which had been given up to the Leoneses by the king staff of Badajoz, together with Santarem, which was also ready falling in the hands of the Almorávidas — and this will be one of the reasons that attribute some modern historians to the decision taken for Afonso VI of reinforcing still more the military western defense, dividing in two to zone attributed initially to Raimundo, handing most exposed to Henry of Borgonha.
The count D. Henry supported by the political interests introduces clunicenses ambiciosamente in the politics of the Kingdom, conquering power next to the parliament. Seeing myself in the subordinates' condition to a king, the counts or governors had spacious administrative, judicial and military powers, and his thought was getting his bearings, naturally, for the acquisition of a complete autonomy when, in the Portuguese case, the conditions they him were favorable.
In order to increase the population and value his territory, D. Henry gave foral and did town (it established a new village) in several lands, between them Guimarães, in which it did citizens' town, when his compatriots are attracting there, with several privileges, many francs.
In Guimarães D. Henry fixed his dwelling, in own palaces, inside the castle that there had been built in the previous century. When the count died D. Henry (1112), it passes the widow of this D. Teresa, governing the county during the under-age status of his son Afonso Henriques.
D. Teresa begins (1121) when « Queen « is entitled, but the conflicts with the high clergy and especially the intimacy with Fernão Peres, Galician nobleman to the one who had had handed over the government of the districts of Oporto and Inhabitant of Coimbra, they brought him the revolt of the Portucalenses and of the son himself, systematically remote, for strangers, of the management of the public business.
To fourteen years of age (1125), the young person Afonso Henriques arms himself to you rider himself – according to the custom of the kings – becoming so an independent warrior.
In 1128, there is locked the Battle of Saint Mamede (Guimarães) between the supporters of the prince Afonso and those of his mother. This one is won, D. Afonso Henriques takes care the county and from him it is going to do the kingdom of Portugal.
Fighting against the Lion's Christians and Castela and the Muslims, Afonso Henriques got an important victory against the Moors in the Battle of Ourique, in 1139, and declared the independence. Afonso I de Borgonha (Afonso Henriques) was born, so, in 1139, the Kingdom of Portugal and his first dynasty, with the king.
COUNTS PORTUCALENSES: HOUSE OF THE BORGONHA
Henry da Borgonha (1095 - 1112)
Teresa de Leão (1112 - 1128)
Afonso Henriques (1128 - 1139, with the title of dux)
TREE
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Maybe now you understand.
The county of Portucale exist in two different times.
First with the count Vimara Peres and Second with The Count Henrique.
The County of Portucale always aspire to be independent. They always wanted the independencia up to which they got with the reign of D. afonso Henriques.
Portugal was always a different region from others of the Iberian Peninsula.
Flag of the County
Portucalense
There was, in the current territory of Portugal, along the process of reconquest, two Counties Portucalenses or Counties of different Portucale: a first one established by Vímara Peres after the dam of Portucale (Oporto) on 868 and incorporated in the kingdom of the Galiza in 1071, after the death of the count Nuno Mendes (and what though enjoying certain autonomy, it always constituted a dependence of the kingdom of the Astúrias/Leão/Galiza being perceptibly equivalent to a current Douro e-Minho douro e-minho Douro e-Minho Entre-Minho).
A second, constituted c. 1095 in fee of the king Afonso VI of Lion and Castela and when which vein to help it in the Reconquest of lands to the Moors, having received also the hand of his daughter Teresa de Leão was offered to Henry of Borgonha, a burguinhão. This last county was much bigger in extension, since it was comprising also the territories of the ancient county of Inhabitant of Coimbra, abolished in 1091, you leave of Them Behind The Hills and still of the South of the Galiza (chiefly of the diocese of Tui).
Of noticing which County is a generic term to designate the Territory Portucalense, since his chiefs were alternatively entitled Committee (count), Dux (duke) or Princeps (Prince).
So what are you saying about Portugal?? (didnt exist????hum!!)
Sorry for not clarifying in my post, but my suggestion was only about the Late Era Campaign (1220). The Latin Empire didn't at the time of the Early Era Campaign (1100) exist. The Crusader States in the Late Era Campaign have only a few islands (They may have Antioch, but even that could be represented with rebels).
No faction would have to be removed. The Crusader States would merely be renamed, some of their Holy Land units removed, given the Latin Empire's territories (and lose their current ones), and have some unique Latin Empire units (but only around 3, they were mostly existing European troops).
In my suggestion it would be a sub mod so entirely optional. If anyone wanted to, I'd love to start this as a sub mod.
Edit 1: Forgot to clarify that I'm talking about SS6.3 (it has both Early and Late Era Campaigns).
Edit 2: I think it may be possible to have different units and faction names in the different campaigns. Either via the built the method that SS6.3 uses to switch the files as it is. Or just have another setup file i.e., "SetupLatinEmpireMod.exe" which would allow you to turn the mod on and off (so you could play Late Era with it on, and Early Era with it off).
Last edited by JohnGlave; August 27, 2010 at 09:35 AM. Reason: Added how I think it could be done.