You won't marry me? I set you aflame...

[Ummon]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...8/ixworld.html

March for girl set alight after marriage refusal
By Henry Samuel in Paris
(Filed: 28/11/2005)

The family and friends of an 18-year-old girl, doused with petrol and set alight in broad daylight by the man she refused to marry, led a silent march through a Parisian suburb yesterday.

Chahrazad Belayni is currently fighting for her life in intensive care after suffering severe burns on 60 per cent of her body. She is being kept in an artificial coma.

On the morning of Nov 13, the Moroccan teenager was attacked while walking near her home in Neuilly-sur-Marne in the north eastern Seine-Saint-Denis suburb.

She knew her assailant. He was a former workmate of Pakistani origin who was angry about her refusal to marry him. The man and a suspected accomplice are on the run.

"This man asked her to marry him three times. He didn't understand her refusals and wouldn't leave her alone," said Sonia, a classmate. "Chahrazad was a beautiful young girl, very soignée and coquettish. He hurt her more than most by physically damaging her."

Several hundred people marched to the town hall yesterday behind a smiling portrait of Chahrazad and a banner calling for "justice, liberty, respect".

"We are here to denounce this horrible act," said the girl's brother, Abdelaziz, who criticised the lack of public outcry following the attack.

"We are here, not to call for revenge but that justice is done. We are here to denounce all violence against women: women must be able to say No or Yes"

The march was co-organised by Ni Putes ni Soumises (Neither Whores, nor Submissive), an association that tackles growing violence against women, mainly in France's suburbs.

"We are here to tell Chahrazad's parents that they are not alone in this fight. It is not just a family problem. It is a problem for the whole of France," said Fadela Amara, founding president of the organisation.

On Saturday, the group held another silent march in memory of Nadia, allegedly killed by her husband in the south western Parisian suburb of Val d'Oise a year ago. Her body has not been found.

Ni Putes ni Soumises has more than 6,000 members and 60 local committees campaigning against the repression of girls in largely Muslim housing estates, where the choice is either to adhere to strict clothing and behavioural codes or be considered to have loose morals. Yesterday's march was, it said, a "tribute to all the victims of machismo".

Ms Amara said the organisation was overwhelmed by calls for help from women suffering from violence or forced marriages, and asked the government to give more concrete help, notably through campaigns in schools.

The French minister for social cohesion and sexual equality, Catherine Vautrin, described the attack on Chahrazad as a "horrible illustration" of male violence against women, which claimed the lives of 163 women in France in 2003 and 2004.

[Søren]

What a selfish, thoughtless, self centred person. (the assailant)

[Tom Paine]

I agree with TBN, to an extent. I think I'd go a littl further though, and advance the theory that human empathy is something he must lack, along with common decency.

[Sidus Preclarum]

Get
That
Bastard
FFS!

[Cluny the Scourge]

There are no shortage of psychopaths in the world. It almost certainly would have happened whether he was a Pakistani or not - if you have wires crossed in the head, that's it. Perhaps it would have taken a different form, since immolation is sort of traditional for these nutjobs - it would have been a stalking case, leading up to a slashing or something like that. This is a sad-case, maladjust-maggot situation, not a cultural one.

[Tom Paine]

I agree, its not a matter of being Muslim, its a matter of being mad.

[Ummon]

Ni Putes ni Soumises* has more than 6,000 members and 60 local committees campaigning against the repression of girls in largely Muslim housing estates, where the choice is either to adhere to strict clothing and behavioural codes or be considered to have loose morals. Yesterday's march was, it said, a "tribute to all the victims of machismo".

Ms Amara said the organisation was overwhelmed by calls for help from women suffering from violence or forced marriages, and asked the government to give more concrete help, notably through campaigns in schools.

The French minister for social cohesion and sexual equality, Catherine Vautrin, described the attack on Chahrazad as a "horrible illustration" of male violence against women, which claimed the lives of 163 women in France in 2003 and 2004.]

* Neither prostitutes nor submissive/victims

[Tom Paine]

I fear this just demonstrates male violence toward women; note there is nothing about the majority being by Muslims. In one case it refers to only oppression on the Muslim estates; in the other general violence. Erm.

[Ummon]

This kind of violence was unknown to France, some time ago...

[MaximiIian]

This kind of violence was unknown to France, some time ago...

So the French Revolution never happened? The Napoleonic Wars did not happen? WW1 & WW2 never occurred? The recent outburst of domestic violence didn't happen?
Have you been living in a cave the past 215 years?

[Tom Paine]

Really? Domestic violence was unknown? I'm afraid I don't give that notion much credence. Or maybe by known you mean "publicly acknowledged"?

[Ummon]

It was unknown, in the sense of not present in these forms and quantities. :wink:

[Tom Paine]

Exactly when are we talking about? I advise you read these statistics on the matter...

[Ummon]

I was referring to "before mass Islamic immigration" times. Which means long before 2001.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I was referring to "before mass Islamic immigration" times. Which means long before 2001.

Hitler was anti-Jew because he believed that the Jews were bad for society. Do you feel the same way about Muslims?

[Tom Paine]

Ah, and a date for this would be? But I direct you to this statistic block:

Women's Rights Survey 1988
Secrétariat aux Droits des Femmes 1989
Of 130,000 interventions of the urban police for domestic violence, 8,800 complaints were registered.
60 % of Police Secours calls in Paris concern domestic violence.
87 % of domestic violence takes place in the home.
50 % in the evening, 22 % at night, 58 % due to alcoholism.
85 % of victims are between 20 and 45 years old.
54 % are legally married, 38 % live as a common law couple.
3/4 are French, 2/3 are unskilled.

[Ummon]

Date would be around 1950. Domestic violence is one thing, rape, infibulation, attacks with petrol and acid and other nasty stuff, are another. Notice that most immigrants are now French citizens.

[Tom Paine]

Date would be around 1950. Domestic violence is one thing, rape, infibulation, attacks with petrol and acid and other nasty stuff, are another.

So back when it didn't get much attention, got brushed over, or the woman refused to acknowledge it much of the time? Figures fromt hen will be horribly distorted... if they even exist.

Notice that most immigrants are now French citizens.

In 1988? That's when the figures are for.

[Ummon]

They were given citizenship in the 50s.

About being brushed over, honour killings have been part of Italian culture, but a lot less common in France. It's a graft of foreign origin, I fear. And even in Italy, they were performed after adultery was performed, not because of a refusal to marry.

[Tom Paine]

They were given citizenship in the 50s.

universally?

About being brushed over, honour killings have been part of Italian culture, but a lot less common in France. It's a graft of foreign origin, I fear. And even in Italy, they were performed after infidelity, not because of a refusal to marry.

Oh, so now we narrow the field to honour killings? the article you quoted is about domesti violence and abuse, so that's the figures I provided.