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    Default BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    Deep-sea oil plume goes missing
    Controversy arises over whether bacteria have completely gobbled it up
    By Janet Raloff
    Web edition : Tuesday, August 24th, 2010
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    In May, researchers began reporting that the massive jets of crude emanating from BP’s damaged Deepwater Horizon well were creating deep, diffuse plumes of oil in the Gulf of Mexico. Since then, chemical oceanographers have been probing the plumes for indirect clues about how quickly native bacteria might be gobbling up the oil.

    Microbial ecologist Terry Hazen of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California now thinks he has a surprising answer: very quickly.

    He’s part of a broad team of scientists from two Department of Energy national labs and two universities that has been collecting plume samples continually for months. In a paper posted online August 24 in Science, the team reports data from late May to early June showing that those deep-sea plumes enticed a hitherto unknown cold-water–adapted bacterium to rapidly chow down on the oil.

    Indeed, Hazen says, those bugs have been so voracious that for one plume of oil his team had been following, “within the last three weeks we no longer detect a deep plume. At all.” It went away approximately two weeks after the well was capped on July 15, he observes. Its oil “is completely undetectable.”

    Also, the unusual population of oil-digesting bacteria that had inhabited that plume — and that would ordinarily be expected to stay with it as it moved — remained behind in a vestigial microbial cloud. “Doesn’t that suggest biodegradation?” he asks.

    Speaking of deep-sea plumes, “I’ve heard rumors they might have gone missing,” notes David Valentine, a microbial geochemist at the University of California, Santa Barbara — but currents might simply have moved them into hiding. It would be nice to think the oil has been removed, he says. “But if it sounds too good to be true,” he cautions, “it probably is.” And yes, “This sounds too good to be true.”

    Only a week earlier, scientists from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts reported evidence in Science that native microbes were feasting, albeit slowly, on a plume the researchers were mapping. Their measurements, made in the month before the BP well was capped, did not include any microbe counts or species identifications, Hazen says — both of which his team included.

    “I was amazed,” Hazen says, “at how similar [the Wood Hole data] were to ours in terms of the definition of the plume” — its estimated flow rate, size, path and very low oil concentrations. Where the data diverge is over the oil’s estimated degradation rates.

    In the field and in lab tanks where plume microbes were housed with crude oil, petroleum appears to have a half-life of just 1.2 to 6.1 days, the latest study finds. In essence, Hazen explains, every two to six days the volume of the surviving oil fell by half. The bacteria responsible mostly belonged to a newly identified species that may have constituted 90 percent of bacteria in the plume, versus only some 5 percent of those outside it.

    The microbes didn’t deplete the water’s oxygen stores quickly, as might have been expected. Evidence of their prodigious activity was measured in a depression of nitrates in the water, Hazen says, and a continuous loss of straight-chain oil hydrocarbons known as alkanes — first the shorter ones and then the longer hydrocarbons. Also among the bugs was a floc of wastes from the petroleum dining.

    Hazen’s interpretation has its skeptics. “Most of the science associated with this spill has been oversimplified,” says John Kessler, a chemical oceanographer at Texas A&M University in College Station. In a good-faith effort to make sense of what’s going on, many researchers look to offer interpretations based on too few data, he charges.

    For instance, he says, “what Hazen was measuring was a component of the entire hydrocarbon matrix,” which is a complex mix of literally thousands of different molecules. Although the few molecules described in the new paper in Science may well have degraded within weeks, Kessler says, “there are others that have much longer half-lives — on the order of years, sometimes even decades.”

    Moreover, he points out, many of the tools traditionally used to gauge biodegradation don’t work well in the field. A few teams have lately begun transitioning to use of more sensitive probes, he says.

    And data from those more sensitive tools are fueling his skepticism of Hazen’s report that microbes have been erasing deep-sea plumes. As recently as August 22, Kessler says, “I spoke to some of those researchers out there [in the Gulf], and they told me they were still seeing plumes.”
    http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene...e_goes_missing

    The original paper on this was printed in Science, which is NOT a light weight magazine, and from a 'celebrity' point of view EVERY scientist wants to be published in it.

    So while there are skeptics to this of course, so far the data shows the oil is being gobbled up as Phier predicted.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    The media exaggerated the story to make sales. The politicians knowingly swallowed the lie because they have no scruples and the people already believed it. As usual the only casualty is the truth and no one knows what that looks like. Why mess up a good story with facts?
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    What's really amazing, and I got caught up in it initially back in may but luckily I took a step back and reanalyzed the situation... Florida will probably make money off of the oil spill. Nothing ever came ashore in quantity for a long enough period to run our tourists off. Now our fishing was shut off, but alot of the claims are getting their cash back. What's more, oil spill workers still came down and had to stay in a hotel and eat at our restaurants to keep state revenue up. And for those tourists that were turned off, guess what, we have alot of beach. They went to south florida, or at worst Disney World.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    Don't pretend like people will be disappointed in this Phier. If it turns out you're right everyone will be smiling.

    But let's wait to see the long term effects before we break out the champagne
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    Agreed with mango. I don't think anyone will be saddened by a the missing plume. If indeed it is gone, I'll be one happy man.

    I'm just curious how the Bacteria managed such a high rate of consumption and breaking down the oil.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    I'm sure its in the paper but a subscription is required to see it online.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    Oh dang. I wish all information was free.

    I'd really like to find out the chemistry/other conditions that lead to excess oil consumpton. From what I know, the conditions weren't ideal for bacterial consumption of the oil, although it was a suggested possibility. It beats booming, dispersants, and any other type of innefective adsorbant.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    I guess because the enviroment was abundant compared to most of the sea for what the bacteria want, they had conditions in which to thrive rather than merely get by. Enviroment's a big thing with bacteria.
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    From what little I've read, it requires ideal temperature, and certain nutrients (I forget, maybe elevated nitrogen levels???)
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    Default Re: BP Oil spill Plume has gone missing, Phier smiling smugly

    I know this discussion is a little old, but I thought it was better to re-open it then to start a new one.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...98&sc=fb&cc=fp

    Scientists are finding oil build up on the ocean floor around the Deepwater Horizon rig (although chemical fingerprinting has not yet been done to actually prove its oil from that rig). It is spread for dozens of miles and is up to 2 inches thick. Apparently it could have sunk either from chemical dispersants or due to the weight of mucus from organisms breaking down the oil. There is concern over the impact this will have on fish that normally feed off the sea floor.

    Personally, I think this is the most worrying part:

    David Hollander, from the University of South Florida, says the government's original attempt to figure out what happened to the oil toted up how much washed ashore, how much evaporated and how much might have stayed under the waves. But it didn't consider that oil could also end up on the seafloor.
    although I guess the seafloor would technically be under the waves, right?
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