Turn off replying in the Curia Vote

[Simetrical]

The ability to reply in the Curia Vote allows you to:

1. Say "voted", which serves approximately no purpose.
2. Say what you voted for, which you could do in the Prothalamos thread.
3. Carry on a discussion that should by right be occurring in the appropriate thread in the Prothalamos.
4. Spam.

The Prothalamos should be the place for discussion, not the Curia Vote. Any agreement/disagreement?

[RZZZA]

I'd probably be against this. This is a forum afterall, isn't it? And isn't encouraging discussion and participation the entire point of what we're trying to do?

[Belisarius]

I disagree. Let us type "Voted", civitates are mature enough not to need such restrictions.

[Omnipotent-Q]

I think that when the issue goes to vote, the Prothalamos discussion should be closed, and any further vote period discussion should be in the Vote thread.

[Major König]

I think that when the issue goes to vote, the Prothalamos discussion should be closed, and any further vote period discussion should be in the Vote thread.

I second that. But Archer has a point, we should be able to say what is on are minds and perhaps why we voted. It is a hard issue to decide, but when it comes down to it, Archer's solution, or lack of one, is better and less trouble.

[Simetrical]

I'd probably be against this. This is a forum afterall, isn't it? And isn't encouraging discussion and participation the entire point of what we're trying to do?

Yes, that's why we have a forum dedicated to discussing proposals.

I disagree. Let us type "Voted", civitates are mature enough not to need such restrictions.

You mean, they don't discuss the proposal in the vote thread? But they do.

I think that when the issue goes to vote, the Prothalamos discussion should be closed, and any further vote period discussion should be in the Vote thread.

Why? There's already a whole thread devoted to discussing it, and if the vote fails the proposal thread would have to be reopened for discussion anyway, except it wouldn't contain the discussion from the vote thread. Plus any discussion in the vote thread would be swamped by "Voted"s.

I think you should just write down 'voted.' I see no reason to say how you voted, but that is all. Discussion should be reserved for the Prothalamos. So, No. 2 for me.

Does that mean I actually have one person supporting this?

[Belisarius]

You mean, they don't discuss the proposal in the vote thread? But they do.

Its their special little forum, let them post the odd line. (More like let us since I do it to) It doesnt harm anyone and sometimes helps when people dont have the time to read the discussion.

[Omnipotent-Q]

Yes, that's why we have a forum dedicated to discussing proposals.

You mean, they don't discuss the proposal in the vote thread? But they do.

Why? There's already a whole thread devoted to discussing it, and if the vote fails the proposal thread would have to be reopened for discussion anyway, except it wouldn't contain the discussion from the vote thread. Plus any discussion in the vote thread would be swamped by "Voted"s.

Does that mean I actually have one person supporting this?

Because it keeps everything in the same place. It would be annoying to say, "Hey guys, here's the poll on x, go discuss at here" when you could just have a poll with normal discussion in it, like any other poll.

I think it would be easier to go "Hey guys, girls and transgender people, here's the poll on x. Pre-Vote discussion is archived here". If the vote fails, you can simply merge the two threads. (It doesn't happen often these days)

To stop all the posts that say "voted" you could put in the starting thread, in big letters:
DO NOT JUST POST "VOTED" OR SIMILAR YE HEAR? (admit it you read this before any other part of my post didn't you)

Anyone stupid enough to miss it can have their account deleted.

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Saying that you could just close the votes and simply keep the discussion in one thread.....but it can be difficult to keep up with, and I foresee people who can post in closed threads misusing it to put their case forward or similar.


I don't know really. I think both ideas could work...perhaps we could try out each cunning plan with hypothetical votes on the Curia's position on things such as "The Best Pie " "Does the Matrix really exist?" "Should JM change his avatar so Q doesn't get confused with him!!!!!??????!11111111111".


PS how everyone votes should be viewable. If the vote fails and there needs to be compromising, we know which parties need to be batting out the issues.

[Fabolous]

I think we should continue to allow people to post "voted" so we know who voted which is important for detrimining how active someone is, etc. Which can be useful for looking at staff when the curia votes.

The only way I see that we could have people is to make a polls public, which is a horrible idea, you should be able to vote whatever way you want without needing anyone else seeing it.

I do agree that it might be better if discussion would be kept in one thread if only for organization. So allow "voted" posts, and even posts saying which way they voted, but no debating discussing.

[Omnipotent-Q]

I think we should continue to allow people to post "voted" so we know who voted which is important for detrimining how active someone is, etc. Which can be useful for looking at staff when the curia votes.

That doesn't really help, considering there are some people who are very suitable for staff roles, who aren't particularly active in the Curia.....it's not as if TWC is hiring Curia moderators

another reason for having people posting 'voted' is so that it is easy for patrons to keep an eye on the fact that their clients are voting and give them a nudge if they aren't.

bah. They can vote as much as they want. There is little a patron can do....and to be honest, how is a patron going to know that there client isn't simply voting and not posting?

[Tom Paine]

I go with Omnipotent-Q.

[MoROmeTe]

My great patron is very right... We are mature and only do inapropiate things when need be...

[imb39]

I think you should just write down 'voted.' I see no reason to say how you voted, but that is all. Discussion should be reserved for the Prothalamos. So, No. 2 for me.

[Tom Paine]

After the vote starts, few view the Prothalams...

[Belisarius]

Most of the time its bwcause we are so damn friendly and know eachother well. Friendly community = happy community = forum stability.

We dont need people to hold our hands and tell us how to act where! We are Civitates!

We are mature and only do inapropiate things when need be...

I loved that last part hehe.

[MoROmeTe]

It is the right of the noble and intelligent being to do what he feels needs to be done even when the rules/customs say something else...

And also it is the wisdom of the noble and intelligent being to uphold the rules/customs more often than not...

Dear patron, I'm so happy you like my ideas...

[Wild Bill Kelso]

voted.. err read

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

another reason for having people posting 'voted' is so that it is easy for patrons to keep an eye on the fact that their clients are voting and give them a nudge if they aren't.

I therefore think posting 'voted' is a good thing, even posting why is ok (as long as it isn't more than a sentence), but more than that should be stopped.

[Richard the Lionheart]

The ability to reply in the Curia Vote allows you to:

1. Say "voted", which serves approximately no purpose.
2. Say what you voted for, which you could do in the Prothalamos thread.
3. Carry on a discussion that should by right be occurring in the appropriate thread in the Prothalamos.
4. Spam.

The Prothalamos should be the place for discussion, not the Curia Vote. Any agreement/disagreement?

I disagree. Replying in the Curia Vote should be permitted. We're all Civitates and higher after all.

[Kscott]

I like how things are. For reasons previously stated.