Let history Decide!
Templedog posted something about how silly it is to say "Let history decide". I disagree, but the thread was closed so I have to start a new one, if you guys don't mind.
I think this is a legitimate philosophy under the right circumstances. Though "the good, the true, and the beautiful" are absolute, the right course of action is often uncertain.
This is what some of the more open minded pharisees and saducees did in response to Jesus. They sat back and said "let history decide".
? Let history decide? Flame removed. -JustinianWe can kill and rape people right now, and let history decide if it was ok.
Last edited by Justinian; November 27, 2005 at 03:55 PM.
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But whether that's wrong or not is obvious.Originally Posted by mucker
But look at Christ. The Pharisees were uncertain what to do with him. If they had just "let history decide", they wouldn't have the bad rep they do now.
? jesus? I wish that whole jesus thing would just go away... same with all the followers. I'm glad they killed him, but I wish everyone didn't jump on his band wagon. I guess my anger should be pointed at the Saints, like St. Paul for spreading that rubbish.
someone keeps changing my post!!
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Careful buddy.
Venting anger is also pretty common here. You just gotta be a bit more eloquent about it.
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what do you mean by letting history decide? it is kind of hard for us to know what people are going to think of a partiular action in the future. unless if time machines have been invented and no one is bothering to tell me about them anyway.
The US would be better if there was no religion. It's just a crazy concept when you think about it. Praying to some fake made up god, thinking he cares about you, asking him for things all the time. If there was a god, I would think he would want these people to stfu. It's like halloween 24/7.
Temples posts says something about the war, I thought, not jesus.
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Yes. Perhaps provide a little background on your topic, an example, and then your opinion on the matter. That would be a bit better of a presentation to your argument wouldn't you think?
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Dux Limitis
Letting history decide could be a way to settle an argument but it should not be an excuse to stop thinking about your actions today.
Comes Rei Militaris
History decides on the actions taken. To do nothing is, often, a poor option. If the Allies had stood back and allowed Germany to run rampant in the east, history would have nothing but contempt. Having said that, it does depend if you care what history says and, more importantly, whose history you follow.
Senator
wow now we have jesus haters on this forum? Man where do the admins, when someone posts idiotic things such as "i'm glad they killed him".
Manstein16 This is especially for you and your bill.
whats your problem? go read your bible please. If they didn't kill Jesus, he would of just grew old and would of become a mumbling old man. The fact that they did kill him, is the reason why you even know of him today.
His ideas wern't even original.
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I believe to adhere to a level of objectivity in that if someone had refered the pronoun him to Hitler/Stalin/Evil Person the phrase would have been lauded as correct. If you have a problem with this, contact Archer or Sulla.
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The world has outgrown religion, but at the time it was popular, it was necessary.
The fact that an invisible guy in the sky is watching them, and will now if they've been naughty seems to have an effect on stupid people where they start obeying laws more.
Not really. Most of the world outside of Europe and North America still holds on to traditional religion. And the secularists in the west seem to have found new religions - like enirementalism!
The Greens are basically tree worshipers by another name. I'm not saying that's bad or anything, but everybody should be more frank about this.
Pit Bull
Religion is not necessarily harmful, but when you write down your beliefs into a book and then make that book unalterable by future generations, religion becomes inflexible and reactionary by nature. There is a clear distinction that should be drawn between belief systems (such as humanism) and religions which are based upon the authority of ancient documents.
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The statement that any one religion is inflexible is wrong. The only variable that changes is the people involved. Just imagine what Moses would think if he came back. I doubt he would even recognize the children of Israel as the people that he led out into the dessert.
Same goes for Chrisianity. It is radically different now than it was in the times of Isaac Newton, Martin Luther, St. Augustus, and the Christ himself.
All religions occassionally go through a "stubborn period" now and then, when there's one particular complication in the evolution of their beliefs.
Islam has been in its "stubborn period" since the time of the Caliphate. the system is almost identical to the way it was in 700.
I can't comment on Eastern religions, as I don't know enough about them to avoid sounding like an idiot.
Pit Bull
But in all of those cases, the problem is the same: Scriptural Authority. It is a constant force which threatens to pull the religion backwards into the past. Without it, the religion would be much more flexible, able to adapt to changing conditions and technological advancements.
Eastern religions are more akin to philosophies than scriptural religions; that's why I keep saying that you can't treat scriptural religions the same as other religions. Scriptural religions have a particular tendency to return to the past when in doubt.I can't comment on Eastern religions, as I don't know enough about them to avoid sounding like an idiot.
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True - but without authority you don't have a religion. Though it would be nice if everyone could just do what he wanted without having to follow any rules. But that would be too easy. It would be like the Marines skipping boot camp and just charging into a battle without any training.
Not to my knowledge. At least Christianity and Judaism haven't. They have had static periods, but never recessive ones.Eastern religions are more akin to philosophies than scriptural religions; that's why I keep saying that you can't treat scriptural religions the same as other religions. Scriptural religions have a particular tendency to return to the past when in doubt.
I think history is the best tool for understanding the present. But saying let history decide in the present is the same as saying "I have no argument so iam going to make a silly statement that actually means nothing".
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