Request for permission and advice

[TaronQuinn]

Move the lake? My bad, I thought you just meant move the mountains...

The mountains should be replaced from '1' to '2', they should be above the Balaton.

Based on that, I thought you meant just move the mountains, rather than move the lake itself. And when you say the mountains are 'above' the lake, do you mean to the north, the northeast, or northwest?

As for the borders, I can change the Gyulefervar border to follow the mountain ridges more closely. I'll also post a more northerly pic above Esztergam after I fix the border there, so that you can tell if I've gone too far or not. Based on your map in post #7, the border runs north from the Danube, then curves east to run in a line toward Krakow.

Regarding units, Cumans are already a mercenary unit in the game. I lack a skin for the Peasant Horse Archer, but I guess I could change the existing Magyar cavalry into peasant HA, then make the Szekely Horseheads into the standard HA. There also is no close approximation to the Serb Hussar that I can use, but I could just use an upgraded texture rom the regular Hussars for now. I was leaving the horse units until later, when I got an idea for your suggestions and priorities.

TQ

[dome]

Regarding units, Cumans are already a mercenary unit in the game. I lack a skin for the Peasant Horse Archer, but I guess I could change the existing Magyar cavalry into peasant HA, then make the Szekely Horseheads into the standard HA. There also is no close approximation to the Serb Hussar that I can use, but I could just use an upgraded texture rom the regular Hussars for now. I was leaving the horse units until later, when I got an idea for your suggestions and priorities.

TQ

ok, soon I can show you peasant horse archers. Serbian gussars and hungarian hussars ,cumans etc you could check in the cavalry units thread

d.

[Csatádi]

Regarding units, Cumans are already a mercenary unit in the game. I lack a skin for the Peasant Horse Archer, but I guess I could change the existing Magyar cavalry into peasant HA, then make the Szekely Horseheads into the standard HA. There also is no close approximation to the Serb Hussar that I can use, but I could just use an upgraded texture rom the regular Hussars for now. I was leaving the horse units until later, when I got an idea for your suggestions and priorities.

TQ

I suggest simply to check the models and skins in the Magyar Mod.


The map is roughly do the job as a raw draft except Slavonia and Croatia was part of the Hungarian Kingdom.
Slavonia seems too big anyway. Did you attach the southern Banates?
Please remove the two peaks from the mountains above the lake Balaton.
You may check the ground types in the mod or here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...75#post2738075

I suggest to use our Hungarian names instead of the present collection.
The royal family was never called to 'Árpádházi'. This is a modern term. They didn't used surnames only titles like prince and king.

I suggest to put a fort here to the riverside to represent Pozsony:

[TaronQuinn]

I'll make this quick:

Lake Balaton moved





Northern border



Northeast border:





And eastern border:



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I look forward to seeing the complete cavalry roster. The work I've seen already is comparable, if not better than some of what the CBUR team created. As always, let me know what you think.

TQ

[Csatádi]

I cannot judge the position of the Balaton because the picture is too close and the reference points are the Danube and the hills.
Put Esztergam up to the riverside.
North west.
Purple mountains should be narrower, lower and passable. I put a blue line where the Danube should flow however this is only a raw estimate!


Várad should be closer to the mountains right up by a pixel and that dense woodland is wrong. It should be fertile land, some wild lands or what and some lighter green woods right at the mountains. Actually even that mountains should be moved to east by some pixels but maybe it would be too difficult to do.

Gyulafejérvár should be moved left to the mountains.

[TaronQuinn]

Northern pass redone:




Lake Balaton, wider angle:




Varad moved east, and ground redone:





Gyulefejervar moved west; (should it be even with the southern pass, or just east of it as I have here?)



Northern border and Esztergam on the river:



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Anything else? I can maybe take a picture of the entire area, but I doubt it'd have much detail.

TQ

[Csatádi]

Slavonia and Croatia were part of the Hungarian Kingdom.
Zagreb must be under Wien. Is it there? Zagreb must be on the left side of the river Sava close to the Austrian border.

[TaronQuinn]

[TaronQuinn]

Excellent suggestions all around. I was planning on using your name database.

I have two questions:

I haven't found the English translations for the unit descriptions and ancillary descriptions. I have 2.13 downloaded and installed, and have looked through all the files. Perhaps I downloaded the wrong copy? Or is 2.13 not yet translated to English? Just point me in the right direction and I should be able to find what I need,

Second, and on a related point, what would be the titles of the rulers of Varad, Esztergam and Gyulefejervar? For now I just have the titles as "Count of Varad", etc. I've renamed the regions as in your mod, Anfold, etc. But was hoping you coul give me an idea of the relevant titles to use in game.

TQ

[Csatádi]

I haven't found the English translations for the unit descriptions and ancillary descriptions. I have 2.13 downloaded and installed, and have looked through all the files. Perhaps I downloaded the wrong copy? Or is 2.13 not yet translated to English? Just point me in the right direction and I should be able to find what I need,

There is an English patch under the patches.

Second, and on a related point, what would be the titles of the rulers of Varad, Esztergam and Gyulefejervar? For now I just have the titles as "Count of Varad", etc. I've renamed the regions as in your mod, Anfold, etc. But was hoping you coul give me an idea of the relevant titles to use in game.

Várad, Esztergam: weren't such titles.
Gyulafejérvár: Vajda of Transylvania

However you may link titles to Várad and Esztergam which weren't actually land based like

Nádorispán (comes palatinus), like german pfalzgraf (second after the king)
Országbíró (iudex curiae regiae), the seconed after nádorispán

But only in the case of Hungary.
If another country occupies them they may have titles what weren't in history.

the best would be the Archbishop of Kalocsa or the Bishop of Eger. And this would be a bit of a relief next to the regular count (and you could give +1 piety for the title ). Kalocsa was more important religion-wise, Eger was more wealthy.

I wouldn't allow to make generals to be bishops because they can marry and have children officially.


I noted the place of the fort here. This would be Pozsony which is on the border.

[shikaka]

But only in the case of Hungary.
If another country occupies them they may have titles what weren't in history.

I guess that depends on country then. An ottoman or a german would call the title for the area different.

I wouldn't allow to make generals to be bishops because they can marry and have children officially.

True, but the archbishop of Kalocsa is the only historically accurate, region-tied title I knew from the time period, for that part of TaronQuinn's map.

[Csatádi]

True, but the archbishop of Kalocsa is the only historically accurate, region-tied title I knew from the time period, for that part of TaronQuinn's map.

No. There were a dozen of ispáns there, too.
TaronQuinn wanted history and the archbishop titles are not suitable for generals in this form of the game.

[shikaka]

No. There were a dozen of ispáns there, too.
TaronQuinn wanted history and the archbishop titles are not suitable for generals in this form of the game.

True, but I thought an 'ispán' title is too small scale for 1/3 Hungary...


Maybe some top tier, not region based titles should be used like Nádorispán or kancellár...


But I still think an archbishop title is historical, would add flavour, only the kids are a problem. Tomori Pál was the archbishop of Kalocsa for example.

[TaronQuinn]

Added the fort:




Changed the names list, and the family names are removed from the starting FMs:



And Zagreb is now owned by Hungary:




Referring back to my prior question, DLV has a system of ancillaries that grant titles to the governors of settlements. (i.e., the governor of London is the Earl of Wessex, the governor of Angers is the Come d'Anjou) So what should the governor of Varad be styled: the Count of Anfold? the Lord of Anfold? the Duke? the Baron?

Thanks in advance.

TQ

[shikaka]

Referring back to my prior question, DLV has a system of ancillaries that grant titles to the governors of settlements. (i.e., the governor of London is the Earl of Wessex, the governor of Angers is the Come d'Anjou) So what should the governor of Varad be styled: the Count of Anfold? the Lord of Anfold? the Duke? the Baron?

Thanks in advance.

The problem is that Hungary didn't have a system like this for the majority of the time, hereditary count and duke level titles were pretty much non-existent in the time period.


Example of geographic positions (appointed and sacked by the king):
Bán of Slavonia
Vajda (voivode) of Transylvania
Bán of Croatia

Example of functions (also appointed and sacked by the king):
Nádorispán (comes palatinus), like german pfalzgraf (second after the king)
Országbíró (iudex curiae regiae), the seconed after nádorispán
lovászmester (agasonum regalium magister), head of the stables
főkincstárnok (summus thesaurarius), head of the treasury

There were positions which were both religious and military ones:
archbishop of Esztergom
archbishop of Kalocsa
bishop of Eger
These were often military commanders, and usually fought with their armies in campaigns. For example it is certain that the bishop of Eger died in Várna (1444), and the whole hungarian catholic clergy was beheaded at Mohács (1526)



I think for Várad (which I see covers the present day Alföld on your map?)

the best would be the Archbishop of Kalocsa or the Bishop of Eger. And this would be a bit of a relief next to the regular count (and you could give +1 piety for the title ). Kalocsa was more important religion-wise, Eger was more wealthy.

[TaronQuinn]

I see both of your points, but agree with Castadi that having characters as archbishops would be a problem. We all know that some priests have father children regardless of their vows, but they generally lacked any validity and thus would pose problems in the game.

That being said, I have included the nador ancillary in the game for Esztergam province, so that a Hungarian character other than the FL or FH can become the Nadorispan, with the appropriate pic.

I've also moved the fort to the border, and changed the Varad ancillary title so that it grants the proper traits, is styled 'Országbíró'. And it too is only available to non-FL/FH Hungary characters. Other factions can become Lord of Esztergam or Lord of Anfold, but not the Hungarian titles. Are there any other ancillaries or traits you feel I should include?

I noticed the pics for 'Janus', the Holy Right Hand, and 'taltos' but don't know enough about them to properly implement them in a way that both suits my changes and matches with history. Are they territorial ancillaries? is Janus a person or assistant? is the HRH a relic? etc.

TQ

[shikaka]

I noticed the pics for 'Janus', the Holy Right Hand, and 'taltos' but don't know enough about them to properly implement them in a way that both suits my changes and matches with history. Are they territorial ancillaries? is Janus a person or assistant? is the HRH a relic? etc.
TQ

Janus:
Might be Janus Pannonius, the first known hungarian poet. He was the nephew of János Vitéz (the mentor of Matthias Corvinus), educated in law and religion. After his return, he became chancellor and main advisor of Matthias.
http://www.google.hu/#hl=hu&q=janus+...b01e42583dbc6f

Holy right hand:
A relic, actually the right hand of the first christian king of Hungary (St. Stephen).


Táltos:
A pagan hungarian figure. Táltos is not really a priest, but a kind of being with supernatural abilites.
He/She is connected with the nature even before his birth, and gets a kind of extra present (which is teeth already upon birth, and 'extra' bones, usually extra fingers). At seven y/o, they disappear from the family house, he is taken for training.
The Táltos sees the future, can tell what the forest/earth holds (treasure, water, etc). The main effect they have is that when 2 of them meet, they fight each other, and this determines the weather.

[matija191]

Janus:
Might be Janus Pannonius, the first known hungarian poet. He was the nephew of János Vitéz (the mentor of Matthias Corvinus), educated in law and religion. After his return, he became chancellor and main advisor of Matthias.

you forgot the fact that they were Croats ...full name of Janos Vitez is Ivan Vitez of Sredna (Ivan Vitez od Sredne)....vitez is a knight in croatian

[dome]

you forgot the fact that they were Croats ...full name of Janos Vitez is Ivan Vitez of Sredna (Ivan Vitez od Sredne)....vitez is a knight in croatian

Nope we didn't forgot, but here it wasn't important and actually we haven't exact proof of it. Anyways if he was croatian it count nothing, the Kingdom of Hungary was always a multiethnical state

d.

[matija191]

Nope we didn't forgot, but here it wasn't important and actually we haven't exact proof of it. Anyways if he was croatian it count nothing, the Kingdom of Hungary was always a multiethnical state

d.

I know that this proof nothing, except one thing - he was also a croatian poet, one of "members" Pannonian renaissance....we Croats are a little bit sensitive if Ivan/Jannos is declared only as hungarian poet

sorry for off-topic