about enabling naval invasions

[napoleonic]

I looked at the descr_sm_factions that not all factions use this feature, now I wonder :

1. what would happen if I enabled it to all faction except papal states? I mean, will it destroy the game balance or actually make the game better?
2. why isn't it enabled for all factions?
3. do I have to start a new campaign to see the change?

[Gnostiko]

I can't speak for all of your points, but I know that when enabled for Scotland it creates odd scenarios where the Scottish are all for invading and rampaging around the continent instead of attacking the English. I'm guessing it messes up a faction's attack priorities. If you enable it for everyone do take notes and tell us the results, could be interesting!

[napoleonic]

anyone know if it can be enabled in the middle of a campaign?

btw there are 2 files : descr_sm_factions & descr_sm_factions_NO_BORDERS

do I have to change both or just the one without no borders?

[k/t]

You're playing the normal one, with borders, since that's the default version in the Aug 13 update, so that's the only one you need to modify.

[Caesar Clivus]

2. why isn't it enabled for all factions?

Because historically not all nations were great seafarers. That's why it's given only to factions such as denmark and norway (viking heritage) and venice and genoa (great naval republics).

[Gorrrrrn]

I can't speak for all of your points, but I know that when enabled for Scotland it creates odd scenarios where the Scottish are all for invading and rampaging around the continent instead of attacking the English. I'm guessing it messes up a faction's attack priorities. If you enable it for everyone do take notes and tell us the results, could be interesting!

quite sensible in 110 when england and scotland were historically allied.
there's plenty of opportunities for scotland to expand if they prefer naval invasions - otherwise they get stuck trying to defeat the old enemy.

[Gnostiko]

quite sensible in 110 when england and scotland were historically allied.
there's plenty of opportunities for scotland to expand if they prefer naval invasions - otherwise they get stuck trying to defeat the old enemy.

You *do* remember their continental invasions, right?

[Gorrrrrn]

You *do* remember their continental invasions, right?

Indeed I do - where else are they going to invade

(I know Scotland didn't historically invade anywhere over seas - except northern ireland, but given they have ships and armies why not let them use them?
oh and some went on crusade to Spain as well.)

would you prefer Scotland is prevented from having ships?

[Gnostiko]

Oh no, I think they're fine as they are now, I was never bothered about the historicity of their attacking the mainland; it was the fact that the result was allllways the same - Scotland creating a huge, continental empire! :s

[k/t]

Scots: the kilted Mongols of the West.

[Maltacus]

In almost every campaign I play, France and England take all of modern France and England but then do nothing against each other. The only exception is when they are consumed by Genoa and Scotland. I think France (and England if they haven't) would benefit greatly from having the preference of naval invasions more and that the more interesting gameplay would outweigh the lesser historical accuracy. The ruler of the British isles is very safe due to ai factions lack of sea travelling as it is now and England is already easy enough to play.

[AClockworkOrange]

In a recent campaign as Portugal, there were about 7 full English armies hanging around London. I don't think they ever landed in Normandy. England did take Ireland, but that was it.

[k/t]

Maybe the faction standings between England and France can be made worse.

[Oberbefehlshaber]

I looked at the descr_sm_factions that not all factions use this feature, now I wonder :

1. what would happen if I enabled it to all faction except papal states? I mean, will it destroy the game balance or actually make the game better?
2. why isn't it enabled for all factions?
3. do I have to start a new campaign to see the change?

Does anyone know if its 'save game' compatible if changes are made?

[ninja51]

I usually see Scotland sail down and take Flanders (I cant remember the city name) but thats about it, Norway used to send a single fairly powerfull unit to me every now and the during my English campaign but it was kind of pathetic. Unfortunatly I see alot of factions just keeping tons of armies at their borders if they arnt at war with a neighboring landlocked nation. Scotland was my vassel and they only kept theyre troops in their lands and one stranded army down in Flanders didnt move at all once I took the city from them. I would much rather sacrafice some realism for naval invasions

[soulson]

Perhaps enable Scotland to prefer naval invasions but edit their victory conditions so they focus on ireland and england not the main land? In all my campaign I disable this for the portugal and enable for the moors and russia. I might enable this for lithuania in early era and TO in the late era.

[napoleonic]

do victory conditions actually affects the AI?

[Caesar Clivus]

do victory conditions actually affects the AI?

There was a discussion about that in the Mod Workshop a while back. Some seem to think that they do affect the AI.

[ninja51]

Im not sure, I think in Rome there was somthing that made AI focus their efforts on a certain city, it might have been Victory Conditions, and if it was im sure Medieval II would be the same way. Im not sure at all though