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    Great stuff shikaka!

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    Very nice guide! I do however have one question though it does not pertain to your guide per say...Is there any way to play as the Romans who appear when the Romans from the western empire get defeated on England?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice View Post
    Very nice guide! I do however have one question though it does not pertain to your guide per say...Is there any way to play as the Romans who appear when the Romans from the western empire get defeated on England?

    They are an appearing faction, so with simple text modification (like celts) no.
    However this should do it (never tried it myself):

    http://rtw.heavengames.com/downloads...hp?fileid=4066

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    Romano British provincial campaign
    by player1
    Requires:
    v1.6 patch for Barbarian Invasion expansion pack
    Introduction:

    It's year 363 AD.
    You are Placus Flavius, appointed Dux Britannium.
    Natives call you Flavius the Horsemen, due to great skill as cavalry commander.
    By Roman emperor, you were granted the rule of Britannia province to deal with Celtic problem.
    If Celts are dealt with and army is mustered, everything is possible...


    The scenario features:

    -Same Barbarian Invasion campaign starting in 363AD
    -playable Romano Britons in control of two Britain regions that West Roman Empire holds
    -exact same conditions in buildings and units like in main campaign
    -control of same Roman general as in main campaign, but now as new faction leader
    -need for "mini-reforms", since money is tight at start

    The scenario does not include:
    -altered data files, since it's not a mod, but a provincial campaign only



    Installation:

    Unzip the download into your Rome - Total War folder. If it's done well, you'll get a new provincial campaign available with Romano British as playable faction.

    Installation does not modify any of original files, it just adds extra campaign.


    Compatibility:

    Since this campaign is based on slightly altered main campaign, it should work with most mini-mods that don't alter game map. For example: BUG-FIXER, DarthVader gameplay fix, etc...


    Known issues:

    -If your last family member dies during AI turn, you won't get defeat message and game will freeze
    -Provincial campaign suffers from same bugs that exist in main campaign

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    Hmmm thanks! Played it out for an hour or two but was not as fun or exciting as I thought it would be. If they guy who made that had given him a wife right away at least that would of been nice...And maybe a very young son or daughter as well! Also would of been nice if he started it in 410 AD of course. Regardless still kinda neat thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vice View Post
    Hmmm thanks! Played it out for an hour or two but was not as fun or exciting as I thought it would be. If they guy who made that had given him a wife right away at least that would of been nice...And maybe a very young son or daughter as well! Also would of been nice if he started it in 410 AD of course. Regardless still kinda neat thanks again!

    There might be some mods out there for BI, but actually I never bothered with them.

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    Ah, why are you little heretics even bothering with small BI mods? Get IBSAj and return when you have finished a campaign with every faction on every campaign. In other words, shut up.


    No offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genius of the Restoration View Post
    Bastarnae really are an interesting unit. If you have an army without a general but a unit of Bastarnae, the Bastarnae will captain the army. As well as this, they will gain a new ability. Normal Bastarnae don't have a special ability, but when one becomes your captain, they gain the Rally ability similar to that of a General. Having said that, I'm not sure how powerful the ability is and what level command it acts with, but it's worth keeping in mind in case you recruit Bastarnae
    lol do you even play this game?

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    Why the attitude?

    Would you care to address any of the things I didn't know when writing this guide? Does the Bastarnae captain rally act as a 1-10 star general, is it useless, or something else? Please, enlighten me, I'm all ears.

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    Its a captain's ability, as long as you make a unit without special ability captain it can rally troops so that's about half the units in the game including peasants that have that "interesting" jedi power according to you

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    I didn't know that. I guess that's because you hardly ever get a captain from a unit with no special ability because cav seem to take precedence. I still think it's an interesting addition because Thrace is essentially the only faction that will ever be likely to have that special ability at it's command. IIRC Bastarnae will act as captain over the Thracian cav. Can't test this as I don't have RTW with me. Do you know how effective the rally is?

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    Edit: whoops sorry wrong place
    Wars of Rome: The rise
    A Modifacation for Rome : Total War 1.5
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    CAn we have a gaul, Egypt, Roman (all three preferably), a seleicid and a parthian please - this would be VERY apreciated thnx

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    Sorry, I'm all out of time at the moment and hardly get to play any games at all. It's a bit sad really . In a nutshell though, it'd look like this:
    Gaul - pump out Warbands and use their warcry to defeat the Romans early on, which would let you produce Chosen Swords which would clean up the Mediterranean. Barbarian Cav are decent too. Spain are really easy in the early days, so that shouldn't take much effort. Britannia and Germania may be harder, so if you've encountering trouble there, focus on Rome and Spain first. Heading towards Dacia should probably come afterwards.

    Egypt - send Kiya (IIRC) straight out towards Siwa and the Carthaginian territories along with the two units of Chariot Archers that you start with. This should be enough of an army to wipe out Carthage and Numidia if you play your cards right and recruit along the way in captured settlements. For the north, focus on the Seleucids and then Pontus, taking Rhodes ASAP for the Colossus. You can really recruit just about any unit as Egypt as all their early units are excellent. Particularly strong points are archers (6000 pop. IIRC), Nile Spears (6000 IIRC), Desert Cav (cheapest armour piercing in the game btw) and the chariots. Being in Egypt with the nile growth settlements you'll have no trouble building any of this though. Egypt really are the best faction in the game IMO and I recommend them as the starting point for anyone who wants to start trying to play blitz campaigns.

    Roman - tough. You can rely more on your infantry here than many other factions, as long as you micromanage so you don't end up in frontal contact with a phalanx. Their cav is also good. The Hastati->Principe shift isn't huge, so don't bother with it unless you've got a wealth of money. Hastati and Equites should see you through until the reforms, at which point you win. The Romans aren't built well for early conquests tbh, because they peak last out of all the factions.

    Seleucia - Militia Cav are your best early weapon, even though they don't compare to the cav of your neighbours. You'll have to be very aware of the relative strengths and weaknesses of you units in comparison to what you're fighting to go well in a Seleucid rush. A few elephants will make things much easier, so aim for 6000 pop. in the settlements that can produce them (Antioch should go straight for them IMO). Levy Pikes are good enough to hold the line.

    Parthia - Horse Archer spam. Cantabrian circle will help you to defeat Scythia, but really you should head south first and take out Seleucia and Pontus. Keep some regular archers and Eastern Infantry around for situational use, but most of your fighting should be by HAs.

    Hope that helps a little.
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    A case for the humble slinger..

    I note you didn't think much of the Carthaginian missile units, the humble slinger in particular?.

    On a visit to the British museum awhile back I saw a few examples of slinger 'bullets' with messages stamped on them, quip's like 'take that, this is yours, some much ruder. And others which were signed with the name or symbol of the owner. I always liked the idea of these lowly warriors imparting a bit of humour into their weapons, such a small detail that showed those men took pride in their role.

    In game they can be devastating when used with a bit of cunning, as a cheap accompaniment to a city defence I've crushed many an enemy as they try to sort their ranks inside the gates after running a couple of slinger units around the vacated walls, it's not exactly cricket but it can be very effective if the timing is right. There have even been times my humble slingers have caused such havoc that any force I have waiting in the town square have had little more to do than mop up those who've survived the hail with their moral already in tatters.

    In the field they can also upset even the most confident of cavalry if used in sufficient numbers, to then swing them around behind the enemy lines they can amass a huge kill ratio, especially against phalanx units.... Coin for coin archers are a superior unit in most respects (though not available to Carthage), but the humble slinger can more than make up for his short comings with a touch of guile and stealth..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    A case for the humble slinger..
    I note you didn't think much of the Carthaginian missile units, the humble slinger in particular?.
    Slingers just aren't very good. Historically, yes they were equal to (if not better than, in many cases) archers, but that's not represented in-game. Even the best Slingers (Rhodian and Balearic mercenaries) are only slightly better than regular Archers. With Carthage in particular (at least from what I'm gathering from this thread, it's been a long time since I've played vanilla), its early lineup isn't well-suited for much of anything at all, and the later lineup is powerful enough that slingers just aren't worth the cost for how little they affect the outcome.

    Combined with how powerful Cavalry is, there's really just not much reason to recruit slingers.

    I always liked the idea of these lowly warriors imparting a bit of humour into their weapons, such a small detail that showed those men took pride in their role.
    While the examples you listed were Roman, some groups (Rhodians and the Balearic islanders in particular) were highly-sought after mercenaries, not 'lowly warriors.' A good slinger is at least as accurate as an archer at longer ranges, and the sling bullets (often as not made of lead) were at least as dangerous as arrows.
    I beat back their first attack with ease. Properly employed, E's can be very deadly, deadlier even than P's and Z's, though they're not as lethal as Paula Abdul or Right Said Fred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entropy Judge View Post
    Slingers just aren't very good. Historically, yes they were equal to (if not better than, in many cases) archers, but that's not represented in-game. Even the best Slingers (Rhodian and Balearic mercenaries) are only slightly better than regular Archers. With Carthage in particular (at least from what I'm gathering from this thread, it's been a long time since I've played vanilla), its early lineup isn't well-suited for much of anything at all, and the later lineup is powerful enough that slingers just aren't worth the cost for how little they affect the outcome.

    Combined with how powerful Cavalry is, there's really just not much reason to recruit slingers.
    We'll just have to agree to differ, because as I pointed out, I have used slingers with a lot of success. Providing you upgrade their weapons get some experience under their belts and use them where there strengths can be exploited they can be very useful, try not to pay to much attention to stats, they don't tell the whole story..

    While the examples you listed were Roman, some groups (Rhodians and the Balearic islanders in particular) were highly-sought after mercenaries, not 'lowly warriors.' A good slinger is at least as accurate as an archer at longer ranges, and the sling bullets (often as not made of lead) were at least as dangerous as arrows.
    I didn't say those in the BM weren't Roman, though I think they were Greek, nor that some slingers weren't very good. In fact in game I'd take Rhodian slingers over most archer units. However, a small number of highly sought after mercenaries does not equate to the average slinger in most armies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    Providing you upgrade their weapons get some experience under their belts and use them where there strengths can be exploited they can be very useful, try not to pay to much attention to stats, they don't tell the whole story..
    The same holds true for Peasants. I didn't say that Slingers were useless or that they couldn't be dangerous - I said they aren't very good and that they aren't really that efficient.

    I didn't say those in the BM weren't Roman, though I think they were Greek, nor that some slingers weren't very good.
    The sayings you mentioned are some that are specifically referenced to Roman bullets.

    In fact in game I'd take Rhodian slingers over most archer units.
    I'd probably take them over basic Archer units as well, due to their slightly higher Attack and better Ammo capacity. Compared to pretty much any of the second-tier Archers, though, they're not very good - they're outranged, for one, and nearly all Archer units can be retrained, so you don't need to horde them or go to efforts to ensure they remain out of harm's way.

    However, a small number of highly sought after mercenaries does not equate to the average slinger in most armies.
    Although your very lack of description works against you here - you equated all slingers to 'lowly warriors' based on the bullet messages. What if the messages had been ascribed to specific elite units (Rhodians, for example, since you think they were Greek)? Then it would be the elites who have humour/pride, not the 'lowly warriors.'
    I beat back their first attack with ease. Properly employed, E's can be very deadly, deadlier even than P's and Z's, though they're not as lethal as Paula Abdul or Right Said Fred.
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    stats do not matter in the game that much thats why you can kill with thrace and kill as spain and gaul
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    I honestly think I am going to try a blitz campaign later, with eygpt or one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halie Satanus View Post
    I note you didn't think much of the Carthaginian missile units, the humble slinger in particular?
    Well, they're better than nothing at all, but I'd rather have other types of units. Slingers are unique in that they have a flat firing trajectory. This gives mixed results on the battlefield. In their favour, they are better at attacking chariots, but against this, they shouldn't be placed behind your units because they'll hit them. Their missile attack is very low and they have a reduced range compared to archers which is why archers are much better at just about everything. Flaming arrows for archers also means that the Scythed Chariots of TSE and Pontus aren't a threat either, so slingers only have the advantage against the chariots of Egypt and Britannia. I might recruit slingers if I really wanted some missile units and had no other option, but they're not a good unit in a speed run because their speciality will almost never be used, and they aren't efficient for what they do otherwise. The Rhodian and Balearic mercenary varieties are good though and I'd recruit them whenever I had the chance.

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