Maybe worth incorporating as an optional add-on

[Caesar Augustus]

Hey guys,

Something constructive I came across in the BareBonesWars forum.

Greek and barbarian careers anyone?

[pannonian]

Hey guys,

Something constructive I came across in the BareBonesWars forum.

Greek and barbarian careers anyone?

It would be historically dubious.

But fun.

Get in.

[Caesar Augustus]

I agree, historically speaking it may be a little off. However, I don't really know very much about such things so it wouldn't really bother me

[Quinn Inuit]

I agree. Historically dubious, but it sounds kinda cool.

[Caesar Augustus]

Indeed. I'm a fan of the Roman career, so it would be nice to have a similar thing for some of the other factions.

I know some players that don't like the career system though, so if there was a way of making this optional then it would probably be a good idea?

[Juan_de_Marco]

Hm I'm still undecided regarding the career system. I doubt the AI is using it properly. And it slants things further to the Roman side.

[Metaluis90]

mmm I would not bet my money in this one


EDIT:

maybe something related to the olimpic games would be better, In my humble opinion!

as for barbarians, i dont care, i dont like playing with them.

2nd EDIT

how about a military system (for both barbarians and greek) based on their citizenship? I'll explain:
the greek faction is a confederation of autonomous, free cities, right?
why not making traits based of which city their were born so, if they manage to get certain amount of influence (and age, if yo want) they get promoted to the city's army commander? there would be also minor offices, so junior family members can also get some of the benefit of this system
the barbarian system would work similarly, but instead of influence, command also get involved, showing the more individualistic nature of them (or i think it would work this way)

[Quinn Inuit]

Let's get this out and stable, then we'll look into cool add-ons. My plan is to go Gold not too far down the road, at which point we should have a good, stable base for mods. I always feel bad whenever I put out a patch and poor Caldarium has to do a lot of new work on Culture Shock.

[Caesar Augustus]

That's cool man. Like I say, I was just browsing through and spotted it so thought I'd post it up as something to possibly look at

[Metaluis90]

yeah, I see what you wanted, but what i think is that the system is a little bit romanized, don't you think?

dont get my wrong, I love romans, that's why roman system should only be (at least on this timeframe) for romans, i think

greeting, man

[Quinn Inuit]

Ahoy!

You mean the Greek and Barb systems are a bit Romanized?

[Metaluis90]

I do because, in my point of view, seems like a copy-paste of the Cursus Honorum system. I'm not against a barbarian and/or greek military system to be added to the game, but I wouldn't like that playing with gauls, romans and greeks end up feeling the same, only with different names.

But hey, that's just an opinion in a sea of them

[Caesar Augustus]

To be honest it probably is just a case of renaming the traits and the cultures they apply to, but then I like how it makes me care about my family in game. I guess it's all just a matter of personal taste though

[Metaluis90]

i agree with you there, Caesar

[Caesar Augustus]

Though I wouldn't really object to that if I'm honest. I just never feel quite as invested with the other factions.

[JaNuZ99]

Though I wouldn't really object to that if I'm honest. I just never feel quite as invested with the other factions.

same, I've tried out a few others , and i am particularly found of the mac-phalanx (its really cool how i can march my troops into the face of my enemy and watch them die)

But i'll always prefer the romans over anyone else

[Metaluis90]

same, I've tried out a few others , and i am particularly found of the mac-phalanx (its really cool how i can march my troops into the face of my enemy and watch them die)

But i'll always prefer the romans over anyone else

I always begin any mod playing with the Romans, but I do like playing with other factions, specially the "exotic" ones, that are, for me, Pontos and Baktria, I like these two because I feel they are a cultural and ethnical mix (military speaking) that the others cannot equal,
It was marvelous to see different kind of people fighting back to back. You have, in the case of Pontos, persian, greek, pontic, capadocian, thracian, bosphoran, georgian, scythian, galatian and many other diffreent people at your disposal, and for Baktria, you got native baktrians, greeks, indian, iranian, eastern, nomadic such sakas, alan, roxolani, persian... the unit rooster was different, each of this people with different tactics, and such.

But no one will ever suprass what I feel when playing as the the Senatus Populusque Romanus
Its funny because even when I'm playing with other faction, I want the romans conquer and expand as they'd do if I was using them, so I'm guilty of Romemanía


I hope 4.0 is able to achieve this ethnical diversity at par with mods like Europa Barbarorum

[JaNuZ99]

I always begin any mod playing with the Romans, but I do like playing with other factions, specially the "exotic" ones, that are, for me, Pontos and Baktria, I like these two because I feel they are a cultural and ethnical mix (military speaking) that the others cannot equal,
It was marvelous to see different kind of people fighting back to back. You have, in the case of Pontos, persian, greek, pontic, capadocian, thracian, bosphoran, georgian, scythian, galatian and many other diffreent people at your disposal, and for Baktria, you got native baktrians, greeks, indian, iranian, eastern, nomadic such sakas, alan, roxolani, persian... the unit rooster was different, each of this people with different tactics, and such.

But no one will ever suprass what I feel when playing as the the Senatus Populusque Romanus
Its funny because even when I'm playing with other faction, I want the romans conquer and expand as they'd do if I was using them, so I'm guilty of Romemanía


I hope 4.0 is able to achieve this ethnical diversity at par with mods like Europa Barbarorum

Now I havn't played EB myself, but i hear its not that historical as its more centered on making the barbarians cooler then historical. So i'm told anyways.

I totally get where your coming from, in fact when playing as another faction if i see that the romans are losing i go out of my way to weaken whoever they are losing to and if its a matter of an incompetent general i have said roman general assassinated for not leading the romans infantry to victory.

I also throw tons of money towards the romans every couple turns ,once I'm rich enough to have a lot of spare change

[Metaluis90]

Now I havn't played EB myself, but i hear its not that historical as its more centered on making the barbarians cooler then historical. So i'm told anyways.

I totally get where your coming from, in fact when playing as another faction if i see that the romans are losing i go out of my way to weaken whoever they are losing to and if its a matter of an incompetent general i have said roman general assassinated for not leading the romans infantry to victory.

I also throw tons of money towards the romans every couple turns ,once I'm rich enough to have a lot of spare change

I know that EB, in their attempt of getting rid of the vanilla way of "horde of a bunch of unwashed bastard" made the barbarian faction a little over the top, specially their elites, in my opinion, but if you compare unit, what I think they made was nerfing the roman faction, instead of making the barbarians stronger.

the other day I was testing some EB units, and every faction elite beat the crap off the pretorians, I was
a bit disenchanted for this.

I think EB is more hellenic-centered, the phalanx there are undestroyable, I hated that
But what I like of EB is not their balance of the game, but how they represent a lot of people in a very unique way.

[Quinn Inuit]

Ahem. This forum will adhere to the RTR forum policy against conversations like this about EB. Everything is still quite civil, of course, but they tend to degenerate over time. Let's steer this thread back to the discussion of the merits of various add-ons to the ExRM, if you would all be so kind.

For the record, I respect EB and the work they've done a great deal, but I have some philosophical differences with how they've chosen to do some things (regarding both units and gameplay). As those differences are reflected in the ExRM (and especially in 4.0), I'll let the thing speak for itself.