What other factions have a "former glory" to go after?

[tallstark]

Hi all, I think its fairly unanimous that the Arnor idea is a great success, fits the lore, and most importantly is the first adjustment to the basic story line of most TATW campaigns which makes it a very different game plan.

For the next go around, what other ideas are more or less lore compatible and would follow the same basic formula? I don't know how the mod team did it (as usual LOL) but now that they HAVE figured it out, is there some sort of Dale glory to be restored? Is there a super Rohan building to bring back? How about if Rhun takes out Dale? Can Gondor become Arnor instead of Eriador?

the Arnor gameplay is so much richer than "take 30 cities" that it would be a shame not to continue the idea.

How about Rhun being based on the Lithuanians campaign, where at some point they can change religions? There have been a number of very good fan fictions that basically show Rhun realizing that Sauron is no friend to humankind. Perhaps Rhun has to conquer Dale and then has to choose?

Whats next?!?

[mattgoby]

I dont think its actually possible to do it with more than one faction due to engine limitations. but it would be the orcs of gundabad

[kaiser1993]

I dont think its actually possible to do it with more than one faction due to engine limitations. but it would be the orcs of gundabad

i think its possible, the ambitious mod 'dominion of the sword' e.g like seljuk turks into the ottomans

[AgentGB]

im actually for wainriders to be put in a seperate faction? kinda make the south lands a stronghold of sort dealing with another AI there, will be tougher for Gondor

[Mikail Mengsk]

Rhùn is already very powerful, maybe more than it was at the time of wainriders.

[AgentGB]

Rhùn is already very powerful, maybe more than it was at the time of wainriders.

i think its said wainriders where the best equipped eastelin no?
considered a faction of elites


http://www.thetolkienwiki.org/wiki.cgi?Wainriders

(idea for units) (kaiser ) lol sorry dude
http://www.terrainguild.com/thelasta...php?f=17&t=772

edit: sorry - wainriders are Rhun?

[Have a nice day]

Maybe the kingdom of Rhovanion?

[Miroslav Klose]

Well before Dale there was Rhovanion, but Rhovanion was a bit more southern then Dale and I think they both have the same strength.
Rhun into the Wainriders or the Balcoth? I think they're all equeal.
Rohan was Calenardhon, province of Gondor, not really glorious since it wasn't densely populated or rich, though they had Orthanc.
A Reunited kingdom seems strange, you'll get a superpower with it and when you're a human player you get al those crappy AI cities and armies, plus I don't think this is really a good idea...
Obviously Orcs of Gundabad turning into Angmar seems most logical, though Mordor would lose the Witch-King. And a lot more human/rhudaur based units should get into the roster. Could be done actually. Conquer some Rhudaur and northern (pitkaranta or whatever and something in the Ered Mithrin) settlements, get an alliance with Mordor and take the Witch-King back, rebuild Carn-Dum and tadaaah... there's Angmar

[Narhijan]

What about Umbar conquering the old enemy Gondor, they are dunedain relatives, or... Angmar resurrection? And if Isengard after conquering Rohan figth vs Sauron for the predominance of ME?

all good points for the suggestion thread

[Miroslav Klose]

Well, Umbar alone can't conquer Gondor, in most of my campaigns both Harad and Mordor usually are ver busy with Gondor. And there wheren't many Black Numenoreans or ursurper Dunedain left, almost none with half/pure blood. And I don't really know into what Umbar/Harad should reform.

[Gfowle]

Well I think isengard would be an exellent candidate for the lithuania script, as this mod starts before the war of the ring isengard could start of with a "good" culture before turnig to melkor and getting uruks and their other evil units.

[Miroslav Klose]

Yes, a fight between Isengard and Mordor would be great, but Saruman was already corrupted and evil in the years before the War of the Ring, so a Lithuania script isn't needed. Though they could start with only some Dunlendings and grow bigger and bigger and get Uruk-Hai later in the game. Rohan always falls to Isengard, and than they can attack Mordor for a nice war. But back to the question of the topic: Isengard can't become an empire of the past again, though they could change in the Empire of the White Hand stretching from the Gwathlo to the Barad-Dur.

[Raiven]

Well I think isengard would be an exellent candidate for the lithuania script, as this mod starts before the war of the ring isengard could start of with a "good" culture before turnig to melkor and getting uruks and their other evil units.

Yeah rise of Isengard would be cool. In beginning you have guarantee control over dunendling lands to gai access to their troops, then you can start forge you forge Uruk-hai army, while rouges and wildmens are fighting in Rohan and Eriador.

[fatty the fat]

Dwarfs could become the Empire of Kaza-Dum or something like that.

[Miroslav Klose]

Well they could become, but even the empire of Khazad-Dum didn't stretch from erebor to Ered Mithrin. And Khazad-Dum was only Khazad-Dum, although it was very rich and packed with many dwarves over a large area, but I don't think Ered Luin dwarves are a good candidate for it. It would be strange to have a huge empire of Khazad-Dum including al the northern mountains, it wouldn't be lore-accurate too. If you really like Khazad-Dum, you should play the Divide And Conquer Mod.

[VltimaRatio]

I was thinking something along the lines of the Isengard thing. What if in the first turn you get an option, that the AI will never accept of course, to *turn back* in a sense. The movie portrayed it a bit off, as Saruman was actually planning to overthrow Sauron all along, he believed the age of men was beginning and that the Istari should rule them. So if you chose this option you will not get orcs or uruks, you get the northmen culture and get to train dunlendings and the vaguely nordic units from the bandit rooster, and get the S rune as a faction symbol instead of the hand. Of course, it would throw off the balance with another good faction, even though your relations with the other good factions would not be all that great.

Back on topic, I think Angmar is the only real option. And Rhovanion, even though little is known about it.

[Miroslav Klose]

Yes, Angmar would be the best thing to do. Rhovanion, well their realm was between the sea of Rhun and the Mirkwood. Later, Gondor gave Rhovanion all their land east of the Anduin. Rhovanion had a loose government, most of their army consisted of horseman and cav archers,some archers and some infantry. Rhovanion's realm was roughly the same shape as the ancient Gondorian province Dor Rhunen, maybe a bit more northern. Dale is around the celduin river, an area Rhovanion never ruled. Yes, after the fall of Thovanion many of them fled to the valleys of the Celduin and Dale and Rhovanion are related to each other, but why would Dale try to recreate an empire which wasn't much more powerful than they are and had other lands too? They also have roughly the same culture. And there aren't clear objectives to recreate Rhovanion, they didn't had big cities or other significant places, only villages, towns, small strongholds and a lot of horses. Also, Rhovanion was a lot like Rohan and Dale, it would be a mix of them with a Rhovanion flavour. There is no clear point to do this, neither is it really lore-accurate.

[mattgoby]

If you really like Khazad-Dum, you should play the Divide And Conquer Mod.

its not out yet is it.

[fatty the fat]

tried the 0.1 beta version but i got ctd at 8 turn and it was filled with bugs... Did they update it? Btw i didnt mean a dwarf kingdom from the blue mountains to erebor just a kingdom that ran from the bottom of the misty mountains to the top

[tallstark]

Well Dwarves already have something like that in RC/RR with the Mithril Forge, so as soon as RC/RR 2.1 comes out thats already pretty sweet. I like Angmar idea for evil, Rhuns chance to convert to "good" after killing off Dale, and Isengard idea of Saurman getting the ring and declaring war on Mordor...