Can Rome revolt from the Papal States?

**Alpha Zeke** · August 17, 2010, 10:48 PM

Simple question. I have enough spys in rome to lower the po to 65%, but not sure if it makes much of a difference (except that the people are dieing xD)

**Constantine The Great** · August 18, 2010, 01:09 AM

I don't think Capitals can revolt. But I could be wrong.

**Chyeaaaa111** · August 18, 2010, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Constantine The Great

I don't think Capitals can revolt. But I could be wrong.

I've seen Constantinople revolt before.

**Ichon** · August 18, 2010, 02:32 AM

I've never seen Capitol revolt either... but have you watched over several turns? The PO goes up and done frequently in AI controlled cities. It has to stay under 75 for quite few turns usually to get a revolt. You can try 3-4 assassins working together and targeting PO buildings if you don't have priests of a different religion to convert and lower PO.

**Nalkarauke** · August 22, 2010, 12:03 AM

Rome was controlled by rebels on previous games, i can't remember if they were on vanilla or in SS (previous than 6.3). i conquered and returned to the papal states, impriving to the heavens my reputation with the pope forever!

**strife1013** · August 22, 2010, 12:12 AM

I've never gotten Rome to revolt and I used tons of spies in the city and assassin's to take out important buildings and never got them to revolt, I wanted Rome without going to war with the Papal States, never worked for me.

**Chyeaaaa111** · August 22, 2010, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by strife1013

I've never gotten Rome to revolt and I used tons of spies in the city and assassin's to take out important buildings and never got them to revolt, I wanted Rome without going to war with the Papal States, never worked for me.

The easiest way to get Rome is conquer several settlements in the Middle East and then give them to the pope. He will move his capital to one of those settlements and then you can buy Rome from him.

**Amaranth** · August 22, 2010, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Chyeaaaa111

The easiest way to get Rome is conquer several settlements in the Middle East and then give them to the pope. He will move his capital to one of those settlements and then you can buy Rome from him.

Are you sure they do that ? Move the capital I mean. Maybe I can try that I had several settlements in Middle East (most of them were useless to me) in my old campaign, but I keep the save files, I can load them and see if I can buy Rome from Pope, that'd be somewhat epicv

**Ishan** · August 22, 2010, 12:31 AM

Every settlement can revolt but revolting Rome is almost impossible coz :-

It's a Capital (harder to accomplish)
The settlement(Rome) loyalty is towards the Papacy.
Mostly the pope resides in it who is faction leader in medieval 2 technical terms.
Same religion lies to that of the settlement owner.

**Nalkarauke** · August 22, 2010, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ishan

Every settlement can revolt but revolting Rome is almost impossible coz :-

It's a Capital (harder to accomplish)
The settlement(Rome) loyalty is towards the Papacy.
Mostly the pope resides in it who is faction leader in medieval 2 technical terms.
Same religion lies to that of the settlement owner.

Yes, I can remember, that in my game, papal states had his capital on Naples, because Rome was lost on previous wars, then regained and finally the eternal city rebelled from the pope. So it is important not being a capital to make a city rebel.

By the way... I am curious about why you wanna participate in the rebellion of Rome?

The papacy will be restored, even if they haven't got a single city, every turn, if a pope dies, a new pope will appear in the woods! Even if no cardinals live in the world -tested with Egypt: One catholic faction (England) lived in that game, and I killed all his priests-.

In other old game I was playing I was furious with papal states, -they interfered so much in my politics-, and I proceeded to completely anihilate, and take down the papacy forever!!!!

Then I discovered for the first time,that it's imposible to destroy them 100%. Having italic peninsula completely under my dominion, my thugs taked care of the endless pope spawnings (always aprox. near Rome). Anyway, my problems with the pope were history.

**chris7ian** · August 22, 2010, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Nalkarauke

Yes, I can remember, that in my game, papal states had his capital on Naples, because Rome was lost on previous wars, then regained and finally the eternal city rebelled from the pope. So it is important not being a capital to make a city rebel.

By the way... I am curious about why you wanna participate in the rebellion of Rome?

The papacy will be restored, even if they haven't got a single city, every turn, if a pope dies, a new pope will appear in the woods! Even if no cardinals live in the world -tested with Egypt: One catholic faction (England) lived in that game, and I killed all his priests-.

In other old game I was playing I was furious with papal states, -they interfered so much in my politics-, and I proceeded to completely anihilate, and take down the papacy forever!!!!

Then I discovered for the first time,that it's imposible to destroy them 100%. Having italic peninsula completely under my dominion, my thugs taked care of the endless pope spawnings (always aprox. near Rome). Anyway, my problems with the pope were history.

You can still try.

**recentiy03** · August 22, 2010, 08:23 AM

I have long been wanting to build up my chivalry, sack the Papacy's possessions and then try to make Rome my vassal but I haven't been in a position to do so yet...my Roman campaign was close before I got a bit bored and loaded the Westeros mod and Expandered Americas before, although I may try to finish today (assuming the save files I saved when I had to uninstall still work).

Although I'm wondering if it would be easier to make them a vassal as a Catholic faction...

**Alpha Zeke** · August 22, 2010, 07:56 PM

Well other then wanting to control Rome, I could care less who owns the city! But I've never seen them move the capitol to the ME or africa when I gave it!

**chris7ian** · August 22, 2010, 08:33 PM

Im trying that strategy now. I gave them Kerack and the town to its south, then I'll give them the town north of medina once I take it. I dont know, maybe I ought to cancel all alliances and Blitzkrieg the Italian Peninsula, then take the Danemarks nearest lands. Then proceed to the Pyrennes and maybe just maybe Gibraltar.

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So basically right now I'm most likey to be attacked by the Byzantines. I'm basically a buffer for Sicily and Genoa, which is fine but I should have Pisa, and Naples if I'm the Protectorate of Rome.

**RabidSheepLegion** · August 23, 2010, 02:02 AM

Only thing I can say is, keep destroying the buildings that keep them happy... buildings that increase law and happiness and such, keep assassinating as much as you can. (Oh, be a different religion faction too lol ) Keep lots of priests in there, keep devastating landscape. Good idea to give them two provinces close to each other, but as far as possible away from rome, for far from capital penalty... maybe cheat a bit and give their governor really crappy traits