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    http://www.insidebayarea.com/argus/localnews/ci_3250665

    Oakland liquor stores under siege
    Police say Black Muslims may have warned business owners not to sell alcohol to African Americans
    By Cecily Burt, STAFF WRITER

    OAKLAND — Abdul Saleh has just one question for the men — suspected by authorities to be Black Muslims — who trashed his corner store late Wednesday, terrorizing his 17-year-old son and another clerk and causing thousands of dollars in damage.
    Why?

    "I don't know why they tried to destroy my life," said Saleh, who has owned San Pablo Market and Liquor in West Oakland since 1986. "We came here for a better living, not to make war with anybody."

    About a dozen African-American men wearing suits, white-collared shirts and bow ties — a trademark of the Nation of Islam — entered the store on San Pablo Avenue and West Street about 11:30 p.m.

    One went behind the counter and swept dozens of shelved liquor bottles to the floor. Others smashed glass refrigerator doors with long, slim metal pipes, breaking beer and wine bottles inside the cases. The whole incident from start to finish was caught on surveillance tape.

    The men warned the store clerks to stop selling alcohol to African Americans, but they also knocked over display racks containing bread and other food items. Then, almost as quickly as they arrived, they all filed out and headed to another West Oakland liquor store, New York Market at Market and 35th streets, where they did the same thing.

    Although the men did not identify themselves as Black Muslims or members of the Nation of Islam, police suspect that's who was behind the attacks, based on the attackers' attire.

    "There was no warning. They never came in before," Saleh said Thursday morning.

    He had cleaned up the broken glass, but a pool of liquid still dripped from inside the taped-up refrigerator cases, and the entire floor inside the bright corner store was sticky.

    The storage area was filled with bins of broken beer, wine and liquor bottles. Milk crates filled with champagne and small bottles of Remy Martin and Hennessey cognac were on the floor, waiting for someone to rinse them off and make sure they weren't broken.

    The expense was large, but that was not on Saleh's mind.

    "My son was here," Saleh said. "He was scared. When he called me, he could not even speak.

    "It makes me nervous. It's scary. They say, 'We will be back.' If the city of Oakland can't protect us, or a security guard, what can they do with 12 or 13 people? I'm worried for my employees. I'm worried for my son's safety and my own safety. I am supporting two families from this place, 30 people."

    At New York Market, a busy corner store that offers fortified beer and wine but no hard liquor, the owner, Tony, who just took control of the store three months ago and did not want to use his last name, said the group was targeting alcohol when it should be after drugs.

    "Before they talk about alcohol, they should talk about all the drugs and heroin on the street," he said.
    His cousin was minding the store when the men came in at 11:40 p.m. At one point, his cousin reached for a shotgun behind the counter, but the men took it away from him, Tony said.

    "I'm not worried. Let them come back," he said. "I'm not chokin' nobody, telling them to buy alcohol."

    He might not be worried, but other market owners are.

    One owner, who did not want to be identified for fear of reprisal, said he was scared, and he compared what happened to a terrorist attack.

    "It's worse than al-Qaida," he said. "They run into people's stores like that, anything can happen. Somebody is going to get hurt. When that happens, you don't know what your reaction is going to be. It's like somebody running into your house.

    "We have to protect ourselves by any means necessary. If the police don't protect us, who will help us? They could do that to every store."

    Representatives from Oakland's Black Muslim community did not return a phone call about the incident.

    Oakland's Deputy Chief Howard Jordan said police are very concerned and have ordered extra patrols in the area to try to protect the stores.

    Jordan said they are investigating the incidents as hate crimes because most of the stores are owned and operated by Arabs or Arab Americans, and the suspects are telling them not to sell liquor to African Americans.

    "It's vandalism and terrorism," he said. "We're characterizing it as a hate crime and actively pursuing all leads."

    Jordan said the department is concerned about how widespread the attacks could become, especially with the large number of liquor stores in East and West Oakland, most located within African-American communities. The suspects did not attempt to hide their identities.

    "We don't know if more are planned or this was an isolated incident," Jordan said. "We are looking at all the possibilities. If there are any trends, our intelligence units will track it nationwide."

    He said he also is worried about people getting hurt or killed in an attempt to protect themselves and their property.

    "We're not going to tell (the store owners) to arm themselves, but if it happens, it's a big concern," Jordan said. "We could have victims all over Oakland."


    Anyone with information about the attacks is asked to call police at (510) 238-3426 or (510) 238-6946. A reward of up to $2,000 is being offered in each case.

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    This is just one small incident, liquor shops get robbed everyday in America. So it was carried out by muslims working for the nation of Islam, so what? they have used violence in the past it's no surprise.

    Im not condoning it but I don't see why this deserves special attention.
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    Common attention will suffice.

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    Ummon, sometimes I wonder who you truly are...
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    The dark lord of the Sith...

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    Joined the American republicans have you?
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    Hang them all.
    By them all I mean the entire nation of islam.
    On the other hand shooting is sooo much more effective...





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat
    Hang them all.
    By them all I mean the entire nation of islam.
    On the other hand shooting is sooo much more effective...
    Shooting people and animals when you have the time to use other means is wastefull. Lead dosnt grow on trees. Are bullets still made from lead?
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    That not the right answer, but on the other hand you tried.

    Anything more constructive?

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    So they wear a white-collared shirt, dark clothers and a bow tie and are thus Muslims? New one on me, really. Especially as my (white) history teacher sometimes wears that (the suit colour can change though). Surely they would have identified their relations with the group more strongly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    So they wear a white-collared shirt, dark clothers and a bow tie and are thus Muslims? New one on me, really. Especially as my (white) history teacher sometimes wears that (the suit colour can change though). Surely they would have identified their relations with the group more strongly?
    I live in america and watched the news. they reportedly said, "why are you selling poison to fellow brothers" or something along that line. Luckily, you do not have to deal with nation of Islam in Britain. And yes, A group of black people wearing suits and bow ties does usually mean they are part of the nation of islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey
    I live in america and watched the news. they reportedly said, "why are you selling poison to fellow brothers" or something along that line. Luckily, you do not have to deal with nation of Islam in Britain. And yes, A group of black people wearing suits and bow ties does usually mean they are part of the nation of islam.
    ...so I suppose we should arrest every black man wearing a suit and a bow tie...especially if they are an amalgam of sorts.
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    If this people aren't Muslims, why are they breaking into liquor stores and destroying the alcohol? Not only are they dressed like Nation of Islam types, they act like it - who else would be that vehemently anti-alcohol?

    I'm surprised Muslim leaders aren't trying to crack down on these people, who give their religion such a bad rep. Or if they are trying to deal with them, they should do it more publically.

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    This troubles me as I live right in the bay area. Not because they are muslims, but because Oakland has been getting nastier and nastier over the years. This kind of stuff must stop. BTW, bad repping of Islam there.

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    The Nation of Islam is hardly a good representative of actual Islam. They are to Muslims as Mormans are to Christians. But more hostile than Mormans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_mango55
    The Nation of Islam is hardly a good representative of actual Islam. They are to Muslims as Mormans are to Christians. But more hostile than Mormans.
    So Mohammed wasn't a good representative of actual Islam?

    Prince Kassad would disagree... :laughing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Kassad
    So Mohammed wasn't a good representative of actual Islam?

    Prince Kassad would disagree... :laughing:
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    But Catholics do not have anything written telling them to wage holy wars...

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    the no drinking alcohol is what makes the muslims all crazy. my friend and his family are muslims and man are they fun to get drunk with. more alcohol please!

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    Well, ancient Persians had the custom to decide things while sober, and then while drunk, and to do them only in case of agreement between the two judgements...

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