Next Heir Ancillary (NHA) - Sub-Mod for SS6.4

[Merula]

Hi guys, this idea is great and it adds a bit more depth to this great game, but the only problem is the heir crown is not working for me.

Im playing as Kingdom of Aragon in the early era and tried numerous times to get it to work, lately i tried to make the heirs cousin the next heir (is this even possible?), but that didnt work.

Then i tried to just make the FH's 2nd son the heir, which didnt work either, it just went to the first son, as usual.

Sorry if this is a stupid question as it seems that the rest of you have it working just fine, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

[RollingWave]

ahhh... so you must transfer the crown BEFORE the current king dies, that's what I keep doing wrong.....

so here's a quesiton, I'm currently in a game where my heir is the brother in law of the king, who's a pretty solid buerocrate but not much of a general, and more importantly he's two years older than the king . I passed the crown to the guy I want to be heir, (the current king's son). if I let the current heir die... will the transfer work ?

[TheBard]

Blip99: I'm playing with Aragon as well, and it seems to be working for me so far, though I'm only 30 turns in. I assume you ran setup.exe and started a new campaign?

Rollingwave: As Amaranth noted, when the FH dies before the FL, screwy/random things can sometimes happen. It won't always follow whom you chose with the ancillary. However, that being said, I've noticed in my Aragon game that when the King's brother died, the King's son (born after the game started, when the brother was already heir) became heir. Now, that's where I had the ancillary, but I think the game also does preference King's sons even when it makes its random choice. So I would bet you'll be ok, but you ought to save before you "let" the heir die. If it doesn't work the first time, reloading and trying again may work.

[Lemming69]

nice submod- now i can prevent characters with silly names like howard, francis and herbert from becoming king of england henry, edward and william ftw +rep

[strife1013]

Okay my issue is fixed.

[Alpha Zeke]

Okay my issue is fixed.

Would you mind sharing how you fixed the problem, so others can search and find the answer?

[Amaranth]

I'd like to say this again that FL must die before the current FH or else game follows another route to choose a new heir. Also it should be noted that until you pass the ancillary to another, if some other character gets too high authority (exceeds 8 or more) game sometimes recognizes that as next heir and even though you pass the ancillary to another you can't always change it's mind. So make sure you pass the Ancillary as soon as you can, before another character reaches too high authority rating. Also you should start a new campaign once you install the mod and try to make sure that you don't alter the files by some other way. Usually re-installing the mod should fix such issues.

@strife1013 it seems your files are messed up somehow. If you tried re-installing Next Heir Mod and it didn't work, try re-installing the mod on a clean install of SS.

Just a little note: Currently my PC is broken and I can't continue my work on the mod, until it's fixed I won't be able to update the mod, however it shouldn't take too long.. I hope.

[Merula]

@TheBard Yes i did start up the setup.exe when i started SS, and im about 100 turns in, its really fun but the heir selection not working consistantly is really killing my game
Yesterday it worked somewhat i think, heres what happened:

My king (A) ended up dying (naturally of course) and the crown went to his son (B), but the next FH became the old FH (B) first son (C)...not his cousin (D) who held the next heir anc.

Then eventually B died and the next king was C, but then instead of going to B's second son as it had usually done in the last hundred turns, the next heir became D!!!!????!!!

So my question is, has this actually worked, was this a fluke, and why if it is working has it only worked properly now. Sorry if the above was a bit confusing!

I think there may be some issues regarding whether you can influence whether extended family can gain the anc... Anyway great mod and Help please?

[Amaranth]

@Blip99 Did you start a new campaign after you install the NHA mod or continued an old game ? On my tests NHA never miss it's target even in a lot crowded family trees, unless ofcourse there's any character who reaches too high authority rating beyond my attention. That's why it's best to pass the Ancillary as soon as you can to ensure your pre selected heir has the highest authority before anyone else.
To be honest I found your explanation a little confusing. If your problem has nothing to do with anything I wrote above, it'd be better if you could provide some screenshots.

[Merula]

@Amaranth
Yeah i though it would be confusing...but i dont really know how to post a screenshot

This is my first campain for SS 6.3 and it just hasnt worked that i could see and im really annoyed because it is so good a feature
Maybe ill start a new campain and see what happens then.

Anyway ill see what i can do about the screenshots.

EDIT: Just started a new campain...and it worked??which is annoying as i dont know why it doesnt in the other one...

[Amaranth]

@Amaranth
Yeah i though it would be confusing...but i dont really know how to post a screenshot

This is my first campain for SS 6.3 and it just hasnt worked that i could see and im really annoyed because it is so good a feature
Maybe ill start a new campain and see what happens then.

Anyway ill see what i can do about the screenshots.

EDIT: Just started a new campain...and it worked??which is annoying as i dont know why it doesnt in the other one...

Cause you need to start a new campaign once you install NHA mod, as far as I know it goes same for most other mods as well. There are some files game checks at the start of each campaign and if you change or alter those files later the mod doesn't work, changes just don't take effect.

I'm glad if that solved your problem. About taking screenshots, you can always hit Prt Sc key on your keyboard and paste it on Paint or some other image editing program and save it, but I recommend installing a software called "Fraps" (just google it) makes it a lot easier and also let your screenshots be more qualified. Once you took screenshots just upload the pictures on somewhere like photobucket or imageshack or wherever you prefer and than paste their URL on the forum.

And good luck on your campaign

[Merula]

Thanks Amaranth for your help, it seems to be working alright now.
Great submod!!!!

[Amaranth]

Thanks Amaranth for your help, it seems to be working alright now.
Great submod!!!!

Thanks for this mod, better than use give_trait KingsAuthority 9 +rep

You are welcome. Enjoy

[Shoryn]

Thanks for this mod, better than use give_trait KingsAuthority 9 +rep

[Shoryn]

I have a small issue. Not with your mod, but I think with the heir system, but well, let me explain...

I'm playing Lithuania. My king, who is a Regent, had a son quickly. His son became the next heir. Then, I accepted a man-of-the-day who became adopted son of the heir. The heir had a son pretty late and he came of age when the regent was 80.
So at this time, the regent is 80, his heir (his only son) is 43, he has an adopted (MOTD) son who is 41 and a biological son who is 16. The biological son has had the Heir Crown since he came of age. Before that, the crown was on another family member who has nothing to do with all the story.

So logically, when the regent dies (he's the FL, not the FH, so the next heir should be the one with highest authority), the next heir should be the 16 years old biological son, right ?

The regent died of old age next turn ; and the heir is... The 41 years-old adopted son ?!
Well, no worries I said, I created a "NotHeirYet" trait which gave -10 authority and gave it to the adopted son after reloading before regent's death. Same issue. Tried to mod the heir crown for it to give +80 auth instead of +8, same issue. Now I think I'm gonna kill this adopted son but I would like to understand why he become heir, so if you have any idea, you're welcome.

[Amaranth]

I have a small issue. Not with your mod, but I think with the heir system, but well, let me explain...

I'm playing Lithuania. My king, who is a Regent, had a son quickly. His son became the next heir. Then, I accepted a man-of-the-day who became adopted son of the heir. The heir had a son pretty late and he came of age when the regent was 80.
So at this time, the regent is 80, his heir (his only son) is 43, he has an adopted (MOTD) son who is 41 and a biological son who is 16. The biological son has had the Heir Crown since he came of age. Before that, the crown was on another family member who has nothing to do with all the story.

So logically, when the regent dies (he's the FL, not the FH, so the next heir should be the one with highest authority), the next heir should be the 16 years old biological son, right ?

The regent died of old age next turn ; and the heir is... The 41 years-old adopted son ?!
Well, no worries I said, I created a "NotHeirYet" trait which gave -10 authority and gave it to the adopted son after reloading before regent's death. Same issue. Tried to mod the heir crown for it to give +80 auth instead of +8, same issue. Now I think I'm gonna kill this adopted son but I would like to understand why he become heir, so if you have any idea, you're welcome.

I'm not sure I understood the situation correctly, but you said you adopted another son for the heir, before his biological son come to age?
If yes, then probably you allowed game engine to recognize the next heir automatictly by selecting a suitable character with highest authority. When bio son came to age game already had one picked so it ignored the ancillary. Normally NHA should guarantee no one else becomes heir, but for some reason game sometimes does that, when the Current Heir adopt a son before his bio son come to age. I always suggest waiting for a son come to age before adopting any. Though I must admit, this never happened to me personally. I'd like to test it but my computer is at the Tech Service for repairs, so without it I can only speculate.

[Shoryn]

I'm not sure I understood the situation correctly, but you said you adopted another son for the heir, before his biological son come to age?

Exactly.

If yes, then probably you allowed game engine to recognize the next heir automatictly by selecting a suitable character with highest authority. When bio son came to age game already had one picked so it ignored the ancillary. Normally NHA should guarantee no one else becomes heir, but for some reason game sometimes does that, when the Current Heir adopt a son before his bio son come to age. I always suggest waiting for a son come to age before adopting any. Though I must admit, this never happened to me personally. I'd like to test it but my computer is at the Tech Service for repairs, so without it I can only speculate.

That should be I think. Makes sense to me at least... Next time I'll await for a bio son first (I wasn't aware this MOTD was going to be the adopted son of the heir, I thought he would be the adopted son of the king). Thanks

[pastolie]

Hey, does this sub-mod work with LLP? I saw the one guy said he's testing it but didn't reply back.

I installed LLP then installed this mod and my ancillary doesn't have any text with it.



It could simply be a error somewhere I made during the install.

[Madden]

Hey, does this sub-mod work with LLP? I saw the one guy said he's testing it but didn't reply back.

I installed LLP then installed this mod and my ancillary doesn't have any text with it.



It could simply be a error somewhere I made during the install.

That's the exact same problem I have... and I don't have LLP. I'm running a basic 6.3 with no BG or RR selected.

[Fair Prince]

It's just another example of how the 'leftmost rule' works.
Since the game doesn't make difference between bastard and biological sons, always the leftmost one will be selected as the new heir.