Musketeers and late musketeers

[Black_Rider]

Im just curious, why is the point of "late musketeers" unit? It has lower ranged demage than "Musketeers" (about 20) and they don't have "long range missles" trait.

To sum up, why I should train them instead of basic musketeers?

[bɑne]

Any difference in ammo load and fire frequency?

[Lordinquisitor]

Could it be that the late ones are more accurate?

[PerXX]

They have a faster rate-of-fire.

In a time where the tactics consisted of lining up in front of eachother and shooting away, range or accuracy wasn't all that important. Rate-of-Fire was a major factor in winning battles then.

That being said, I don't think I've ever played far enough to gain either units, so I can't say if the faster rate of fire really is worth it.

[Theseus1234]

They have a faster rate-of-fire.

In a time where the tactics consisted of lining up in front of eachother and shooting away, range or accuracy wasn't all that important. Rate-of-Fire was a major factor in winning battles then.

That being said, I don't think I've ever played far enough to gain either units, so I can't say if the faster rate of fire really is worth it.

Why not just have Arquebuses as the early gunner role and musketeers as the late gunner role? Why do we have to unnecessarily add two extra units? Same goes for pikemen. Pike militia can fill the early pikemen role while pikemen themselves are the heavy pikemen role.

[Beowulf1990]

Why not just have Arquebuses as the early gunner role and musketeers as the late gunner role? Why do we have to unnecessarily add two extra units? Same goes for pikemen. Pike militia can fill the early pikemen role while pikemen themselves are the heavy pikemen role.

+1

[Kazuhiro]

Why not just have Arquebuses as the early gunner role and musketeers as the late gunner role? Why do we have to unnecessarily add two extra units? Same goes for pikemen. Pike militia can fill the early pikemen role while pikemen themselves are the heavy pikemen role.

+1

Agreed!

but we still need one of the modders to tell us the difference between late and regular musketeers

[PerXX]

Agreed!

but we still need one of the modders to tell us the difference between late and regular musketeers

As already stated, the Late Musketeers have less range and damage, but fire faster.
The Late Musketeers also fire a different sort of bullet, which is more accurate and have more mass. Finally, the Late Musketeers aren't affected by rain, which the normal Musketeers are (possibly an error)

Musketeers:

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type Musketeers
dictionary Musketeers ; Musketeers, up
category infantry
class skirmish
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Musketeers, 60, 0, 0.75, 0.35

attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, gunpowder_unit, start_not_skirmishing, gunmen
formation 1.2, 1.4, 1.2, 1.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 32, 1, quality_musket_bullet, 145, 12, missile, missile_gunpowder, piercing, none, musket_shot_set, 700, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 4, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 30, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 5, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 0
stat_mental 11, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 2, 565, 190, 65, 50, 375, 4, 130
armour_ug_levels 0, 6, 6, 23
armour_ug_models Musketeers, Musketeers_ug1, Musketeers_ug1, Musketeers_ug1
ownership spain, aragon, portugal, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, england, france, hre, denmark, norway, hungary, poland
era 2 spain, aragon, portugal, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, england, france, hre, denmark, norway, hungary, poland
recruit_priority_offset 30

Late Musketeers

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type Late Musketeers
dictionary Late_Musketeers ; Late Musketeers, up
category infantry
class skirmish
voice_type Light
banner faction main_missile
banner holy crusade
soldier Black_Band_Arquebusiers, 60, 0, 0.75, 0.30

attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, gunpowder_unit, start_not_skirmishing, gunmen
formation 1.0, 1.2, 1.0, 1.2, 4, square
stat_health 1, 2
stat_pri 22, 1, flintlock_bullet, 125, 12, missile, missile_gunpowder, piercing, none, musket_shot_set, 500, 1
stat_pri_attr area
stat_sec 3, 2, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 45, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 0, 5, 0, flesh
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 1
stat_ground 1, -1, 3, 0
stat_mental 9, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 405, 140, 65, 50, 265, 4, 110
armour_ug_levels 0, 1, 6, 23
armour_ug_models Musketeers, Musketeers_ug1, Musketeers_ug1, Musketeers_ug1
ownership spain, aragon, portugal, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, england, france, hre, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, byzantium
era 2 spain, aragon, portugal, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, england, france, hre, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, byzantium
recruit_priority_offset 30

[ShadowKiller2000]

I agree, that would also free up more unit slots for the Georgia project that is ongoing....

I really do think that the late pikemen/musketeers and some other units could be axed in favor of others.

[Gogolometro]

Because all this units you see was important in RR-RC campaign of 1450.

[k/t]

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