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    Certain factions may need some explanation so that is clear why they were preferred instead of others and also to specify their starting provinces, which will be showed with each factions preview anyway.....

    We had to choose from several independent Hellenic and Barbarian factions and we think we had made the best selection possible so that we can play with the most attractive factions, which are:
    --Divided as they are matched in the code--

    ---Greeks---

    Non Dorian Greeks
    The city of Athens
    The Ionian league
    The city of Croton

    Dorian Greeks
    The city of Argos
    The city of Corinth
    The Locrian cities
    The Rhodian cities
    The Cretan cities
    The state of Lacedaimon (Sparta)
    The city of Syracuse
    The city of Taras

    "Northern Greeks"
    The Boeotian league (Thebes)
    The kingdom of Macedon
    Thessaly

    ---Uncivilised---

    Epeirotes/Illyrians
    The Molossian kingdom (Epirotes)
    Illyrian tribes

    Thracians
    Thracian tribes

    ---Civilised Barbarians---

    Easterns
    The Persian empire
    Carthage

    Etruscans
    The Etruscan league

    *Work on high res icons done by Lupus, Snevets also has done work on faction icons*
    Last edited by apostate; May 12, 2006 at 03:55 PM.
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    The faction list is great, and the icons are very nice.

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    Very good list, I must say. You could be more specific with the Illyrians and Thracians (you could use Dardanians and Odryssians respectively, as the most well known tribes/kingdoms) but its ok as it is. Would you consider using the actual names of those factions instead of the anglicized ones? Also, I would include the Molossian with the "northern Greeks". They didn't have hoplites in the classical era anyway.
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    Wait, is Barbarians the greek name for foreigners or a derogatory term, or both?? It seems confusing to me.

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    i know it is confusing....

    so "barbarian" is used to mean foreigner or non greek
    at first it was used to describe people who were talking language that greek people didnt understand (whether it was simialr to greek language or totally different)

    barbarian comes from bar bar bar....which is something like -lets say- bluh bluh bluh
    ....the greeks couldnt understand a thing and said the people who talked barbar as "barbaroi"

    that doesnt mean uncivilised for greeks!
    its an insult only when u call a greek "barbarian"

    a "barbarian" (non greek) can be civilised one

    gradually barbarian gained a national meaning for hellenes...so there were the hellenes and barbarians (all non hellenes)
    its truth though that many greeks considered themeselves better than all barbarians (whether they were uncivilised or not)
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    Is there a particular reason my post on this topic has dissapeared?

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    Is there a particular reason my post on this topic has dissapeared?
    Sorry if was, than was probely mistake, this forum is still under reconstruction. So if...onemore time sorry.
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    Last edited by apostate; November 25, 2005 at 04:44 AM.
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    It's alright, I was just confused... In my post I was suggesting you place Epirotes (Molossian) under "Northern Greeks" because they didn't have hoplites in classical timeframe - but I see you did that already. Also, I was suggesting to drop the generic term "Thracian" and "Illyrian" and use the two most known and large kingdoms/tribes of them: Odryssian and Dardanian respectively.

    Otherwise, great job!

    Ah, another point: Cretan cities also were very poor on hoplites. They operated mostly as light infantry (besides the - famous - archers, they used many peltast-likes).

    And a couple of spelling suggestions: Boeotean or Boeotian instead of Boiotian and Lokrian instead of Locrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    It's alright, I was just confused... In my post I was suggesting you place Epirotes (Molossian) under "Northern Greeks" because they didn't have hoplites in classical timeframe - but I see you did that already. Also, I was suggesting to drop the generic term "Thracian" and "Illyrian" and use the two most known and large kingdoms/tribes of them: Odryssian and Dardanian respectively.

    Otherwise, great job!

    Ah, another point: Cretan cities also were very poor on hoplites. They operated mostly as light infantry (besides the - famous - archers, they used many peltast-likes).

    And a couple of spelling suggestions: Boeotean or Boeotian instead of Boiotian and Lokrian instead of Locrian.
    when i posted that thread at first i had placed the factions in a random way
    i dont know where u saw the epriots together with faction with hoplites
    certainly their spearmen will not use the term hoplites

    the first post was edited by other member who divided the factions in a way to categorise for better understanding i guess
    however this what i see now is neither categorized by the cultures as we have them in the code nor by the ZoRs of their starting provinces.....its rather a mix of code cultures and ZoRs....


    Greeks - Hoplites Zones
    The city of Argos
    The city of Corinth
    The city of Athens
    The Boiotian league
    The Locrian cities
    The Ionian league
    The Rhodian cities
    The city of Syracuse
    The city of Croton
    The city of Taras
    The Cretan cities
    The state of Lacedaimon

    Northern Greeks
    Thessaly
    The kingdom of Macedon
    The Molossian kingdom

    Northern Barbarians
    The Illyrian tribes
    The Thracian tribes

    Eastern Barbarians
    The Persian Empire

    Western Barbarians
    Carthage
    The Etruscan league
    -the odryssians may had been the more numerous but their state becomes important after the failure of Persian invasion
    i think its quite pointless to name the illyrians as dardanians who are a quite unique group of people

    -for faction names is used only english
    greeklish (greek in english letters) is used for the maps cities and provinces and units as well
    its no good to have 2 faction names in greeklish when the rest are in english!
    *english is chosen here for better comprehesion*

    -about cretans and hoplites:as i said the way of categorizing the factions u saw is nothing that suggests what kind of hoplites they had
    for the cretans we have given them their own ZoR,unique for Crete island provinces along with faction specific missile units....plus a couple of low quality hoplites

    i ll write now in the first post the factions according to the culture they belong
    plz do not edit first post except from Romanus
    Last edited by apostate; November 25, 2005 at 04:38 AM.
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    oh yes and Rosacrux redux i m greek myself too
    that means dot worry about spelling where greeklish will be used

    -now the factions are written down by the way they are seperated in the code.....obviously this doesnt change now since the work is already done.....but also i dont think there is something it needs to change
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    Alright apostate kardasi, I hope you'll pull this through... I am awaiting with extreme anticipation for Hegemonia!

    A, a question: will this be BI or RTW 1.3? If it's the former you would have the religions to play with as well... if BI, how excactly are you going to implement religion?

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    A, a question: will this be BI or RTW 1.3? If it's the former you would have the religions to play with as well... if BI, how excactly are you going to implement religion?
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    It is for BI so we have religions to play with as for how will do it, follow the link DF gave.

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    Ah, yes, thank you so much! Indeed, great job guys. I am burning with anticipation.

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    I know this is a dumb question, but I havn't had time to look indepth at the forums and questions, but is the city of Rome present? What will they be called, since i didn't see "Rome" on the faction list. They may have been small, but nevertheless a faction.

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    nope Rome isnt included
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRY6
    I know this is a dumb question, but I havn't had time to look indepth at the forums and questions, but is the city of Rome present? What will they be called, since i didn't see "Rome" on the faction list. They may have been small, but nevertheless a faction.
    u cant imagine a mod including Lation without Rome faction to play with,can u?
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    Rome was still under Etruscan control at the time and it wasnt untill 510 B.C. that they gained their independence from them, but from what I know the province will be very rebelious.


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    I agree the faction list looks superb, im glad to see my fav faction is in here, cathage! sadly that was droped from AOH "Booo!" but serious glad its back

    Could we have a brief description of each faction as well? maybe to introduce some of the factions i've never heard of

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    we edited the common name for a couple of factions in parenthesis so its more clear.....
    the full info will come along with each preview (like we have in Athens preview-Ionians coming soon)

    ...but is somebody has a specific request name it and we ll accomdate u with few words....
    Last edited by apostate; November 26, 2005 at 01:07 PM.
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