Help with ancillaries

[chris7ian]

I'm tryin to make an Heir_Apparent ancillary for the HRE. I edit the export_descr_ancillaries file to this:

;================= Traits =================
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary hre_heir_apparent 
 Type crown
 Transferable 1
 Image crown_hre.tga
 Description hre_heir_apparent_desc
 EffectsDescription hre_heir_apparent_effects_desc
 Effect Authority 10
 Effect Loyalty 5
 Effect Law 1
 Effect LocalPopularity 1
;------------------------------------------
Ancillary crown_hre 
 Type crown
 Transferable 0
 Image crown_hre.tga
 Description crown_hre_desc
 EffectsDescription crown_hre_effects_desc
 Effect Authority 3
 Effect Command 1
 Effect Law 1
 Effect LocalPopularity 1

I have no idea how to set up the trigger. Basically I want my current heir in the descr_strat to have it then I want to be able to move it between family members to so as to influence the next heir. I'm going to spawn historical faction leaders of the HRE so I can have a somewhat historical family tree. If someone who knows how to do this please help me out!

[Moon]

In a short word NO.

[chris7ian]

Yeah i decided to go the route Konny figured out but the tuts on ancillaries arent as detailed as I would like them to be.

So for the trigger would this work?

Trigger hre_heir
 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

 Condition IsGeneral 
 and EndedInSettlement 
 and FactionType hre 
 and I_SettlementOwner Frankfurt = hre
 and TimeInRegion > 6
 and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists hre_heir

[Moon]

No idea to be honest, I do remember someone making an Heir Orb but it caused a lot of problems as far as I know.

[Ishan]

I have no idea how to set up the trigger. Basically I want my current heir in the descr_strat to have it then I want to be able to move it between family members to so as to influence the next heir. I'm going to spawn historical faction leaders of the HRE so I can have a somewhat historical family tree. If someone who knows how to do this please help me out!

First and foremost remember and learn one thing.

"Only authority decides that who is going to the next heir. So what u are trying to do is not possible."

Now there maybe something that u can help me with coz i haven't tested this myself.

U make a new ancillary that is transferable, and gives insane authority like +7.
Now give it the to heir via descr_strat.txt or in campaign via console command.
No need to make trigger for it now.

After that when the heir has it give to some random general. And on next turn check where he is the new heir or not coz now he has the major authority.

I saying all this coz i have seen pics for it in the extracted UI vanilla folder. And the old heir might get the "Ex-heir" trait coz i have seen it too in the EDCT file. But never happened to me when i was playing vanilla coz i always paid attention in making the heir superb.


So check it out and let me know the results.

[irishron]

Heir Orb is nothing but ctds.

Someone did a little research on authority, when it reverts back to zero, and how the ai picks the next heir. I don't remember the neam of the thread but you can search for it. Even then, the way the ai is programmed , your best laid plans can go awry.

[chris7ian]

Thx for the input guys. Its too bad you cant have historically accurate family members be scripted in and become King and heir. I dont see why m2tw doesnt have the select a heir feature like RTW did.


Edit I got it figured out I think. Correct me if im wrong.

Right now I got the Hohenstaufen house in power. Heinrich IV is King, Heinrich V is heir. I have Frederick I of Hohenstaufen married to Agnes, IV's daughter, and their Son Frederick of Swabia. Frederick Barbarossa, his son isnt born until 1122, 22 years too late. So if I make Fredereck von Hohenstaufen with a lot of authority he should get heir after Heinrich V right, assuming I make him infertile and childless? Then von Swabia will get heir then I can make a script to spawn barbarossa before Freddie von Hohenstaufen dies, and cheat him the most Authority so he become heir after von Swabia dies. Think this will work?

[konny]

Right now I got the Hohenstaufen Salian house in power. Heinrich IV is King, Heinrich V is heir. I have Frederick I of Hohenstaufen married to Agnes, IV's daughter, and their Son Frederick of Swabia. Frederick Barbarossa, his son isnt born until 1122, 22 years too late. So if I make Fredereck von Hohenstaufen with a lot of authority he should get heir after Heinrich V right, assuming I make him infertile and childless? Then von Swabia will get heir then I can make a script to spawn barbarossa before Freddie von Hohenstaufen dies, and cheat him the most Authority so he become heir after von Swabia dies. Think this will work?

fixed that


We have a pretty well working mechanism in dHRR for this kind of succession: I use traits like Royal_Family (gives +3 Authority) and Royal_Prince (+5 Authority).

Royal_Family is given to the faction leader and from there passed down always father to son. Royal_Prince is always held by the sons of the faction leader. That way sons of the faction leader have +8 Authority, other blood-relatives of the recent and former FL have +3 Authority. Additionally I have added to the trait MarriedAPrincess (or what was it called) +3 Authority because this will only affect characters that have married one of your princess (i.e. sons in law of the FL). The offsprings of these characters should also have the trait Royal_Family.

I have also removed all Authority from other traits, but give it by titles additionally. That way only those that are either in the lineage of the royal house, are married to a daughter of the FL, or that are holding titles (i.e. powerfull lords) do have any Authority at all.

The result is that usually succession works as it should.



In your example, Heinrich IV would be faction leader, his under-age son Heinrich (V) would be heir (give him the tag current_heir in descr_strat). Heinrich has an elder son Konrad and a daughter Agnes. Friedrich von Staufen would be a general unconnected to the family tree.

When the three children of Heinrich IV come of age Konrad and Heinrich would have both of the above traits, with the younger Heinrich already being FH. Agnes would marry Friedrich, who would then have the trait MarriedAPrincess. Let's say of these only Friedrich had a son, Friedrich II, who would now be Royal_Family.

Order of succession:
Heinrich IV (leader), Heinrich V (heir), Konrad (1st successor/8 auth), Friedrich I von Staufen (2nd/3rd successor/3 auth) & Friedrich II von Staufen (2nd/3rd successor/3 auth).

Usually Heinrich IV would die first, makes Heinrich V leader and most likely Konrad heir.

Order of succession:
Heinrich V (leader), Konrad (heir), Friedrich I von Staufen (1st successor/2nd successor/3 auth) & Friedrich II von Staufen (1st successor/2nd successor/3 auth).

But Konrad is elder than Heinrich and would die before him; meanwhile also Friedrich I has died, leaving only one character with authority in this faction.

Order of succession:
Heinrich V (leader), Friedrich II von Staufen (heir).

But meanwhile Friedrich's II son, Friedrich Barbarossa, has come of age who would be Royal_Family because his father already was that:

Order of succession:
Heinrich V (leader), Friedrich II von Staufen (heir), Friedrich Barbarossa (1st successor 3 auth)


volia