Another BNP gloat threat,Nazi can you spare a dime?

[mongrel]

We haven't had a BNP thread for a while.


From the Hope not hate blog, some welcome news.

The BNP is totally broke. Having incurred some avoidable legal expenses and overreaching itself in the General election,it owes £500,000.

The BNP's single presence in London, Assembly member Richard Barnbook has left the BNP to become an independent member.

Some rather concerned racists tried to oust Griffin in a leadership contest and failed.

Mocking aside, I am concerned. A split BNP could give rise to a more competently led racist party.

Nick Griffin has admitted that the British National Party has liabilities of half a million pounds, or 25% of its claimed annual turnover. The revelation, made at a party meeting in Tameside, comes on the eve of a meeting of the party’s Advisory Council at which full details of the party’s financial state are supposed to be revealed.

Whether the party treasurer, the incompetent David Hannam, will provide any figures is now in doubt, following the sacking of Ken Booth, the party’s North East regional organiser, from the Advisory Council. It was Booth who was the prime mover of the call to open the party’s books at the meeting on 14 August.

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It is unclear whether the BNP leader actually had the power to sack Booth. The party’s constitution states that all regional organisers sit on the Advisory Council and there appears to be no provision for Griffin unilaterally to dismiss anyone. The other man sacked from the Advisory Council, Richard Edmonds, had burnt his bridges with the party last month when he revealed that Jim Dowson, the convicted criminal who now owns the BNP, earns £162,000 a year from the party. Saturday’s meeting was also supposed to be shown Dowson’s contract, a document that no one has ever seen but that Griffin claims exists. According to Eddy Butler, who failed to win enough nominations to challenge Griffin for the party leadership earlier this week, the letters dismissing Booth and Edmonds were sent on Wednesday 11 August, the same day that Griffin assured Andrew Brons, who was acting as scrutineer for the nomination process, that he would welcome critics being able to see the books and study the accounts to give the party a clean bill of health. Butler says it is clear from this that Griffin had no intention to open the books. The BNP’s £500,000 of debts place the party in a serious financial situation. The widespread discontent among activists, coupled with the fact that it is much more difficult for the party to raise money outside an election campaign, means that the party has little prospect of becoming solvent. The seriousness of the situation is clear from the tone of Griffin’s latest fundraising appeal letter, also sent on Wednesday. Admitting that the party is “cash struck”, which, in an attempt to exert the maximum pull on supporters’ purse strings, he blames on the legal action over the party’s racist constitution brought by the hated Equality and Human Rights Commission, Griffin implores: “if you don’t give, we can’t fight … and if we don’t fight we will be shut down and killed off”. Butler thinks that the sackings are also intended to prevent the Advisory Council voting by a two thirds majority to impeach Griffin. “He is a frightened man”, says Butler. However there does not appear to be any provision in the party constitution for impeachment or even suspension of the chairman, who holds absolute power. The powers of the Advisory Council are limited to appointing the party’s auditors, requesting that its financial records are made available for inspection by any individual member of the council at a meeting, and, on a two thirds majority vote, calling a general members’ meeting. Such a meeting can discuss resolutions put by members but only with the consent of Griffin. Nevertheless, despite the constitution, which Griffin forced through a general members’ meeting earlier this year without actually showing anyone the provisions that increased his powers and made it virtually impossible to challenge his leadership, he will find it hard to carry on if enough influential party activists turn against him. The latest to do so is Richard Barnbrook, the BNP’s sole London Assembly member, who stated today that he would from now on sit as an independent member of the Assembly. Explaining his action, he said he remained a “loyal and dedicated” party member, but could not continue to represent the party until “allegations of serious wrong doing concerning senior British National Party officials” are “the subject of an internal independent and transparent BNP investigation”. Butler said today: “More revelations about severe financial wrongdoings are about to be made public,” .

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/a...million-pounds

[magpie]

I am not surprised that they are in financial difficulty, Mark you I think its a common trend these days amongst political parties. People do not consider any of them as flavor of the month, and are not inclined to give money to them.

[mongrel]

I am not surprised that they are in financial difficulty, Mark you I think its a common trend these days amongst political parties. People do not consider any of them as flavor of the month, and are not inclined to give money to them.

True. I suppose the difficulty here is their small following and the obvious difficulties of obtaining corporate sponsors.

[Asmodeus]

And what support they do have is in the main, too poor to give much anyway...beer, football season tickets and betting on the dogs/horses has to come from somewhere, and a giro only goes so far

[Poach]

Well, they put everything they had into the last General Election and failed to get any return on it. Not really a surprise that internal stuggles are now ongoing, nor is it too surprising that their treasury is severely depleted.

[Syron]

Well, they put everything they had into the last General Election and failed to get any return on it.

You don't get material return on investment in money used in political campaigns, in fact after major elections fund-raising for all parties tends to slump because people don't care so much between elections. That's why the big parties rely on wealthy donors to mount major campaigns.

No, the campaign was well within their finances and isn't a part of the current problems, the real issue is the debts incurred ultimately because of Dowson.

[Jom]

You don't get material return on investment in money used in political campaigns, in fact after major elections fund-raising for all parties tends to slump because people don't care so much between elections. That's why the big parties rely on wealthy donors to keep topping up the war chest.

No, the campaign was well within their finances and isn't a part of the current problems, the real issue is the debts incurred ultimately because of Dowson.

Losing numerous deposits doesn't help much, either.

[Syron]

Losing numerous deposits doesn't help much, either.

IIRC the BNP saved more deposits than any other party except Lib/Lab/Con, and many more than they had previously. Small parties do not fund campaigns expecting saved deposits anyway, it is part of the inherent bias in the system.

[Big War Bird]

All in all the BNP finances are considerbly better off than the British government's.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I don't think the BNP has an AAA credit rating.

[removeduser_487563287433]

263 BNP candidates lost their deposits at a combined cost of £131,500. The English Democrats lost fewer. Green and UKIP lost more. Why? More candidates.

To describe the 2010 General Election, which destroyed BNP finances, lost them almost all their councilors in Barking and Dagenham and has led to fractionalisation of the party as anything less than a catastrophe for the nazis is to lie.

[Syron]

263 BNP candidates lost their deposits at a combined cost of £131,500. The English Democrats lost fewer. Green and UKIP lost more. Why? More candidates.

I said the BNP saved more deposits, stop changing the goal posts to conceal the truth.

If UKIP or the Greens were more successful, and this fantasy that BNP did badly was true, then they would have saved many more deposits than the BNP not only because supposedly the BNP are a tiny party but that you say they contested more seats. But they didn't.

And you clearly don't know what you are talking about since the BNP actually had (just) more candidates than the Greens anyway........

Loosing most of your deposits for nationally significant parties like UKIP, Greens and the BNP is part of the game and factored into the campaign, none of these parties fund campaigns expecting a significant amount of saved deposits. Even so, proportionally, the BNP did best in the ratio of saved deposits to lost ones which is probably the most important factor.

If you don't know how political campaigning works I suggest you shouldn't pass comment on it.

and has led to fractionalisation of the party as anything less than a catastrophe for the nazis is to lie.

It didn't lead to this factionalism, that had started months/years before. Do you not remember the posts about Bennett before the election happened?


Face it, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Of 325 BNP candidates, 81% lost their deposit. If you want to try to make that seem like a great victory, please do, and we'll have great fun.

[Syron]

Of 325 BNP candidates, 81% lost their deposit. If you want to try to make that seem like a great victory, please do, and we'll have great fun.

Again showing you don't know what you are talking about, the BNP had 338 candidates........

For smaller parties that contest a significant amount of seats that is good, as I pointed out better than UKIP or the Greens for example.

Lost deposits help fund the cost of elections, go look up how much of that money comes from small parties and how much comes from the main parties that actually gain most from elections, it's absolutely ridiculous.

Either way, the point i'm making is saying that the BNP had lost deposits is entirely irrelevant to the present financial situation, the BNP were never going to save all their deposit and neither did they expect to save them.

You don't know what you are talking about.

[removeduser_487563287433]

We do know that the BNP is ed financially, splitting at the seams, and hilarious. Winter for Syron and Germany.

[Syron]

The BNP has internal problems yes, but you don't understand them and have no wish to accurately describe them because you want to engage in propaganda.

Just don't complain when someone shows what you are saying is nonsense.

[removeduser_487563287433]

You're hardly going to receive serious responses when you try to make the "most deposits saved" hide the fact that the BNP was run out of even local power in the election. They spent a lot of money. They lied about their infringement of a brand term, and got sued. And for what? JNothing. Just the nazi faithful, desperately trying to polish a turd.

[Syron]

You're hardly going to receive serious responses when you try to make the "most deposits saved" hide the fact that the BNP was run out of even local power in the election.

And what has that got to do with how saved deposits affect the finances which is what I was replying to?

But if you want to discuss other issues, the local elections is a different kettle of fish as they run in cycles, non-metropolitan district councils generally are more difficult for the BNP to gain and maintain seats. Compare this to the BNP's gain of larger county council seats in 2009. When these district seats were last fought it was in 2006 (and were not combined with the general election which was in 2005) it was at a low point in Labour popularity and there was no major election to bring out their supporters. Indeed Labour was the only party to see a net gain in councillors in the 2010 local elections helped by the general election even despite them losing that, that's why Gordon Brown called the election on the same day as the locals to boost their chances in both. All the other parties lost seats.

They spent a lot of money.

No more than UKIP or the Greens, and they received more money back than either of them!

They lied about their infringement of a brand term, and got sued. And for what? JNothing.

Correct, this is one of many issues with Dowson, as I said.

[mongrel]

Elections involve more than the saving of deposits, although it is safe to presume that the BNP lost £00,000s on deposits, there are also campaign expenses to consider. Leaflets are not cheap. Indeed Ed Butler, the failed leadership challenger ( I could be asked to open a thread on the election as it was a farce) said:

failed nazi
due to the collapse of the party’s finances, approaching £100,000 worth of General Election expenses have still not been paid”

If true, this is in breach of electoral law.


Lee Barnes, the BNP's legal officer has resigned citing a number of concerned about Jim Dowson, which I cannot discuss here as they seem to be accusations of criminal activity.

But if you are curious, this vid is doing the rounds. Mongrel is unable to say whether the allegations mentioned in the vid have any basis in truth. The dog has his doubts. But it does highlight how poisonous the BNP/Dowson relationship has developed.



THe BNP are also facing further legal bills once the CEHR case resumes. Yay!

A number of prominent members have been suspended or expelled after supporting Ed Butler's leadership bid, or for being critical of Griffin/Dowson.

Bob Gertner (London)
Charlotte Lewis (London) Parliamentary candidate, convicted animal rights extremist and waste of space
Rowena Savage (London)
John Savage (South West)
Charlie Baillie (Scotland)
Simon Bennett (South West)
Mark Collett - expelled (Yorkshire) Was the BNP's top youth Nazi
Max Dunbar – resigned (Scotland)
Andrew Emerson (South East)
James Fitton (South West)
Robert Lassen – expelled (West Midlands))
Peter Lucas (South West)
Peter Mullins (South West)
Frank O’Brian - expelled (West Midlands)
Peter Phillips (South East)
Peter Squire ((North West)
Peter Stafford (North West)
Richard Trower (South East)
Anthony Ward (North West)
Jeffrey Marshall (London)
Christine Mitchell (Eastern)
Simon Deacon – resigned (Eastern)
Chris Roberts (London) London organizer.
Bob GeGertner (London)
John Savage (South West)
Carl Whelpdale (North East)
Roy Jones (Scotland)
Shelley Rose (Eastern)
Julian Leppert (Eastern)
Lawrence Rustem (London) Barking loser
Tony Avery (London) parliamentary candidate and holocaust denier
Dennis Boater


Richard Barnbrooke, London Assembly member left of his own accord.


Its all looking good, particularly as Griffin is clinging on to power.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Here's an interesting article I read on the BNP implosion:

And The Winner Is …
Nick Griffin has held on to the leadership after launching a rather shabby campaign against Eddie Butler with all manner of smear tactics – Belgian brothels, photos in pants, ‘gay’ accusations – which came as absolutely no surprise. According to online sources, only 29% of those eligible to vote in the BNP bothered to do so. The BNP is falling apart at the seams with Griffin going mental expelling anyone who has even HEARD of Eddie Butler! However, what has Griffin actually won? A seriously diminished organisation whose infrastructure and finances are a mess. Griffin will no doubt have the begging bowl out again to the fragmented membership many of whom are either ignorant of the situation or just sick of his kleptocracy and all out Muppetry.

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Expelled or Resigned? First, Simon Darby’s resignation, then Mark Collett’s expulsion over dodgy printing costs and his predilection for pre-legal sex, and now Batty Lee Barnes has resigned (or been expelled depending on who you believe). Is there anyone left in the BNP? In his usual not-very-succinct-at-all ‘style’ Bitter Barnes blames the Marmite case, the EHRC case, increased sackings and suspensions, unpaid bills and wages and claims that the BNP is insolvent (and both the BBC and Marketing Week are also alleging that the BNP have settled over Marmite to the tune of £170k). Barnes, not very convincingly, says he regrets covering for Griffin but is glad he has ‘helped 1,000s of people’ and his blog is now peppered with self-justifying rants and backpedalling. Barnes is aware of his rapidly fading significance and has become Simon Bennet’s no.1 fan who he now claims is ‘a real hero of nationalism.’ Oh, right! Batty Barnes is attempting to capitalise on the travails of BNP svengali Jim Dowson and the allegations of sexual fondlement made by Shelley Rose. He is also making allegations of fraud about Griffin and Dowson but the web is full of these kind of things and unless a legal challenge is initiated these are pretty meaningless. BNP: The Future? Griffin will no doubt celebrate his victory by chucking more and more loyal and not-so-loyal members out. There is a long list of alleged expulsions knocking around the web and it really is turning into a ‘night of the penknives.’ Liverpool BNP in particular has suffered expulsions following revelations that Tony ‘Hammerhead’ Ward is a cross dresser and prominent member Peter Stafford is gay. The launch of the all new pink BNP was apparently badly attended on Merseyside and the LBNP website has been silent for 2 weeks. All this indicates a massive rift in the BNP which is going to be pretty hard to reconcile but there are several possible outcomes: 1/ Griffin and Dowson will maintain control over a ‘rump’ BNP, seeing as they control the assets, and they can try and rebuild again despite Griffin’s massive loss of credibility and legal and financial problems. 2/ The anti-Griffinites can try and overcome their bitter rivalries to form the New BNP albeit without funds and the organisational acumen of Dowson but with some credibility on the racist right. 3/ The National Front will absorb some of those disillusioned members who fondly remember the ‘glory days’ of getting booted off the streets in the 1970s and 80s by anti-fascists. However, there are problems with 2 and 3 2/ The anti-Griffinites are so fragmented and bitter, as witnessed with the recent online schism between North West Nationalists and Real Nationalists Online forums, that the chances of them forgiving or forgetting are extremely slim. Unlike their porcine moderators. But more interestingly: 3/ Last year the NF succumbed to a coup by veteran Nazi splitter Eddie Morrison, and it has long been understood that Eddie is a state asset. Did some nefarious force know that Griffin was going to implode the BNP and thus compromise the only viable racist option by getting their men into position in order to further contain and monitor far right extremists? We shall see … Conclusion Griffin has managed to keep his position but is under increasing pressure. His future will be seriously jeopardised if the BNP books are ever investigated properly by the Fraud Squad and all the filthy, fascinating details come out along with the inevitable threats and hair pulling. It is widely reported that Griffin does not have anything of value registered in his name and if it goes horribly wrong then he cannot be found liable and probably has an ‘escape route’ planned. Griffin still maintains his loyal following in the BNP and his MEP position but will the anti-Griffinites stand an independent in the next Euro-election to diminish his vote? All of this mean that the fallout from this week will continue and provide a huge boost for anti-fascists of all stripes everywhere in the UK.

Looks like the BNP is a spent force in terms of electoral politics.